Wouldn't her immediate tattling to Coach about Candace warrant an N? :shrugs:
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S-18 Edgic (editing and logic) - Tocantins
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Posts: 1756 (02/19/09 9:53 PM) Registered User |
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The Purple Parrot |
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Posts: 9079 (02/19/09 9:57 PM) Registered user |
Was Sandra tattling to Rupert that Trish was spearheading a blindside negative?
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ncassaro |
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Posts: 655 (02/19/09 9:58 PM) |
Sandra tattled to Christa, who tattled to Rupert though, right?
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 SFC |
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Posts: 620 (02/19/09 10:02 PM) Registered user |
Both of whom were already edited positive.
Coach is the Villain. |
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AndreSurvivor |
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Posts: 319 (02/19/09 10:02 PM) |
Merhag/Debbie will be N for me. She had the nerve to say that it isn't hard to find people to trust to someone she no doubt knows was an ally of Candace.
In Survivor, trust few. Debbie will learn that pre-merge, I hope.
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Jacare15 |
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Posts: 1757 (02/19/09 10:05 PM) Registered User |
The Purple Parrot wrote: Not quite, but when Debbie was INV last week, and this was the first scene we had seen of her, I think it warrants an N. |
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The Purple Parrot |
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Posts: 9080 (02/19/09 10:11 PM) Registered user |
I dunno, I just don't think there was any overall tone for Merhag this episode... Or I guess she could warrant an M or whatev because I could see how some
things were taken positively and some were taken negatively.
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chapera rocks |
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Posts: 10441 (02/19/09 10:21 PM) Registered User |
IMO, Debbie is toneless. Possiblely positive for trusting her tribe (spirit) and her spunk (with the fire). But they are also setting her up to be naive
(again, trusting Sierra/Brendan's explanation and trusting everyone so early).
Erinn (I like her) I thought was negative. She was shown as a friend to negative Candace. She was also shown tearing down the tribe spirit by saying that they couldn't trust each other. That being said, she had a lot of manipulated shots, but thats not enough for a MOR for me at least. UTRN2. |
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Posts: 7693 (02/19/09 10:26 PM) |
Yay, cr and I are on the same page. ^_^
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Posts: 27 (02/19/09 10:31 PM) |
I really don't think Debbie or Erinn warrented enough to have tone either way. Off the top of my mind, Candace and Coach seemed N, Sierra and Brendan P.
Taj potentially P. I don't think Debbie and Erinn did enough to warrent tone. I wanted to pick up on an N-tone for Erinn, because she gets a lot of
reaction shots that appear like they could be bitchy to me (smug looks), but she never had the SPV or confessionals to back it up. Debbie has minor P moments
(praising the fire pit, positive morale about bonds within the tribe), but I don't think it warrented a P overall, her telling Coach didn't really seem
toned to me either way since both Candace and Coach were N, it wasn't like she was selling out a hero like Sierra or Brendan.
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9RedWing19 |
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Posts: 2440 (02/19/09 10:33 PM) Registered User |
Why after 18 seasons are contestants still arguing about how to cook rice? If I had 2 pots, I would want to cook the rice and beans separately, so put me in Coach's corner on this one.
Benjamin (T): MORN4 So the role of a coach is to find fault with their players. Silly me, I thought the coach was there to help the players improve and thus increase the team's chance of winning. He is so getting set up to be blindsided down the road. His comment at TC about trusting Brendan (when we the audience knew Brendan lied) has got to have some payoff.
Brendan(T): CP5 The man is a player. Very, very smooth (at least the way he was edited). I'm curious how much influence he may have had in flipping the vote.
Candace(T): OTTN5 Tough call here, but the edit showed Tyson fooling her, showed the argument over the rice (being educated means you don't take crap - oh really?), did not show Candace being better than Sierra at the IC, and showed her being oblivious to the shadyness in her tribe. We're not supposed to miss her.
Debbie(T): OTTP2 She got the chime at TC for having built trust with several people, but she was shown as gullible in the fire-pit sequence. Swimming with the sharks.
Erinn(T): MOR2 Apparently loyal to Candace until the votes were read. Helped to bring out the trust issue at TC, which will likely come up again.
Jerry (T): UTR1 Threw out a few cliches at TC and shown playing his cards close to the vest in the pre-TC run-up. Not want you want from a winner going to his first TC.
Joe(J): UTR1 Leading the termite charge and not much else.
JT(J): MORP3 We now know that opposites attract to provide our manlove in this episode.
Sandy(J): UTR2 They won the IC and she is shown saying that this will keep me here a few more days. Three perhaps?
Sierra(T): CP4 There's been some interesting comparisons with Sandy (reaction to the first vote, proficiency in searching for the idol, comments at TC) that have all been more favourable to Sierra. Shown as a good liar with Debbie, but still insecure in her place on the tribe. Likely will be around for a while given the attention to her edit the first 2 episodes.
Spencer(J): UTR2 .Mostly narration this episode, but we are sorry you're not being fed properly.
Stephen(J): MOR3 The bonding with JT was heartwarming, but he loses the P for not knowing who Eddie George is. Not acceptable for a young American male.
Sydney(J): UTR1 Will only eat bugs in an emergency (or a challenge). Good to know.
Taj(J): CPP4 It looks like this girl has some game (and she must have made Eddie proud running through all those scrawny white girls).
Tyson(T): MOR3 Looks like he was in the minority (since his 2 confessionals were both about wanting to boot Sierra) and yet he voted with the group. Hmmm
Winner: TBD - one of my non-winners from last week is gone, so I'll consider that a success. |
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Posts: 1493 (02/19/09 10:36 PM) Registered User |
Random thoughts.
pat on the back here - I think I was the first to opine that the NY Jew and the Cracker would form an alliance. yay me. Spencer - youngest narrator in Survivor history? He does seem cut from the Austin cloth, though. That exile "island" was amazing - a huge sand dune in the frigging middle of nowhere. The mini-me geologist inside me wants to figure out how it was formed. The twist(s) of: people being able to switch tribes and two exiles were inspired - perhaps the best "twist" since the S3 tribal switch. It makes the wheels inside your head start turning: How will this affect the strategy? Brendan was brilliant, and he and Taj can go far. But Taj - mentioning your hubbie? Not bright, and she knew it. And god love Debbie, but when Sierra called it a fire pit and Debbie bought it I thought of that line from "Arthur": Oh. you poor thing. And, I might add, Coach is an utter dunderhead. I was a bit creeped out by him, especially his groping of Candace. And the tongue? Ewww. Nothing but N SPV. Jeez, he is truly full of himself. People are either fawning over Errrinn or dislike her. I found her kind of neutral this episode. I am completely baffled why she is high on people's win lists. Some people are dismissing Jerry entirely (way down on their list or not even making their list). I think this is a big mistake. Remember, he told us exactly what he was going to do, go UTR. And he did. His QA at TC was generic and pleasant, and just about every one of his sentences was in a conversation with someone else. He is ingratiating himself with the others, keeping a low profile. Do NOT count him out, just because there are "big" edits so far. Tyson had a good cool-down. Sierra seemed a bit too much of the "constantly in danger" survivor, and she needs a real cool-down, or indications she's glommed onto an alliance. This is was a remarkable turn-around in edit style from ep 1. Not a single 1 visibility!!! I wonder if there has ever been an episode 2 without a 1 visiblity before? I loved it. |
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Katy Carney |
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Posts: 4442 (02/19/09 10:46 PM) |
9RedWing19 wrote: I disagree with a lot of this...maybe she was OTTN but not for those reasons. They showed the argument over the rice, but then later showed them eating the rice and beans and talking about how delicious it was. Not only did they show Candace as being better at the challenge than Sierra, they had Brendan (or maybe Tyson) directly tell us that Candace was stronger and did better in the challenge and it might be smarter to keep her. She did say they wouldn't vote her out because she was too strong, but I don't think that's enough to make her N. If I were going to make a case for N I'd say it's because of her negative spv from Sierra about the faux fire pit. Even the stuff about Coach was reinforced by what we saw. She felt MORN to me. |
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ncassaro |
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Posts: 656 (02/19/09 10:47 PM) |
Candace CPN5
Brendan CP5 Coach CP5 Debra UTR2 Erinn MOR3 Jerry MORP2 Joe UTR1 JT MORP2 Sandy UTR2 Sierra MORP4 Spencer UTR2 Stephen MORP2 Sydney UTR2 Taj CPP5 Tyson MOR3 Winners: 1. Jerry (Seems to be following the strategy he mentioned in episode one. Was shown here when he didn't necessarily have to be.) 2. Tyson (Would love to hear a strategy from him…) 3. Erinn (Why does she keep popping up?) 4. Coach (I don't think so, but it's definitely possible) 5. JT (I honestly think the winner comes from Timbira, but he has the best chance of the Jalapaos) Not Eliminated from Contention: Brendan (Weak episode one. Great episode two. Still gonna be a long shot though.) Sierra (I strongly doubt it) Spencer (There does seem to be some manipulation in his edit) Stephen (I honestly think his story is pre-merge, but who knows? He could make it.) Taj (I eliminated her last episode because she didn't talk about her husband, but the editors most likely omitted that since they knew the issue would come up in episode 2. Still, it's a long shot but I don't have too much pride to uneliminate her.) Losers: Debra Joe Sandy Sydney 
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9RedWing19 |
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Posts: 2442 (02/19/09 10:57 PM) Registered User |
Katy Carney wrote:My point on the challenge is that the challenge footage that we were shown (and Probst's commentaries) did not match what Tyson said in his confessional (ie that Candace was stronger in the challenge than Sierra). We saw Candace make a shot, we saw Candace miss a shot that would have sealed the win for her tribe. We saw Taj running through both Candace and Sierra. We had little editorial commentary from Probst, other than on Benjamin. I'm sure the footage was there that would have shown Candace as performing better than Sierra. But that is not what we saw, and that is what is important. |
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Posts: 4445 (02/19/09 11:08 PM) |
They did show Candace outperforming Sierra, imo. They showed Candace throwing Sydney down, jumping on top of Taj and shoving the ball away, they showed Candace
getting the ball...every shot of Sierra was of her struggling underneath someone or standing around looking pained. This was reinforced by spv after the
challenge. "Coach" even said that his original plan was to take out the weak, but that Candace was too negative (ie Candace was not part of "the
weak", like Sierra). I definitely feel like we were supposed to know that Candace was the stronger of the two.
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ncassaro |
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Posts: 659 (02/19/09 11:16 PM) |
Insider Vids are up. Erinn's confessional in voting out Candace was, "I like you, but I don't trust you." So there was no alliance. The
show definitely would've wanted you to think there was though. It's very interesting IMO.
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Posts: 1338 (02/19/09 11:27 PM) Registered User |
Jacare15 wrote:Whoa, no no no. We're not supposed to factor in anything from anywhere other than this episode. And it doesn't make sense anyway. Stuff that happens (or doesn't happen in this case) in previous episodes are not supposed to factor in to the episode at hand. |
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cantthinkofaname |
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Posts: 1339 (02/19/09 11:29 PM) Registered User |
goohst wrote:Sydney had a confessional, and Jerry played in the last round. |
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 1354 (02/19/09 11:33 PM) Registered user |
THINGS TO CONSIDER THIS EPISODE
On Jalapao... Spencer's comment about Sandy being done, yet she gets a few more days and her cooloff probably hints that she's going to last. JT's relatonship with Stephen was shown as impossible last episode, but with the theme of first impressions maybe being untrue (and possibly turning into something poetic when they turn out untrue). Keep in mind that Stephen identified JT as the leader and Stephen is the one who got commentary on it and how it benefitted him. That's good for Stephen. Sierra has good numbers, but I'm starting to think she isn't our winner. I don't think a woman has this. Her story seems to have arced way too soon. Oh, and stop with the reaction shots: if you think Erinn is viable, I see your point, but don't ever use screenshots as a reason... look at Amanda. I agree that Erinn is getting strange airtime, but there should be clarity to the winner. Either she's going to become a big character soon or leave soon, but that doesn't mean she wins. Brendan and Taj are both millionaires, yet we didn't find that out about Brendan whom was on exile with someone struggling with that story. Maybe it never came up? He's going to be a player, which we figured out last episode with his successful analysis of Coach (whom is definitely going to be what Ace could have been-- watch him last). Taj's real story is coming up.. should be interesting. Debbie was toneless. The scene with her and Erinn at TC is telling... it hid Jerry (whom started the conversation) and showed that Debra may be naiive but she does truly trust people. She was shown with Coach a lot. Tyson telling Candace that "He lied to her face and she bought it" is VERY TELLING. This is very interesting and again sets up that Tyson is manipulative. He's being hidden by all the distracting on-goings at Timbira. Also, Jerry is someone to watch, his relationship with Tyson is very interesting and he is executing his gameplan of staying quiet and "letting the games begin". I think Tyson or Jerry could be our winner. Winner lists should definitely include: Tyson, Jerry, Stephen, Sierra... JT, Erinn, Sandy aren't bad to have there but are unlikely. |
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