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gretchensucks |
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I wouldn't say I love Erinn, I had a bad first impression of her. I consider her a contender simply for the comment she made at TC...it seemed
significant, insightful, somewhat brave, and foreshadowing.
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Sandy making a point of saying that Carolina is the reason she's still in the game...doesn't seem that good for her. However, her confessionals about
determination and how "as long as I'm here, I'm gonna win it" seem rather telling. Spencer is shown planning on booting Sandy next, but
Sandy kisses JT's shoulder and seems to be setting up an alliance of the two down the road. Sandy also seemed to be integrating herself within the tribe
during the fruit-sharing moment.
Brendan's comment about Sierra being "really smart" for her fire pit lie is good for Sierra's chances I think. The same goes for Tyson's "I just lied to your face" comment. Both of these seem like good for their winners' chances. As for the immunity challenge, I find it interesting that in a challenge that could EASILY have gotten negative narration from Jeff, the only really negative comment was about how poorly COACH was doing. Jalapao Tribe: Joe: UTR1 (I know the vis chart says a two, but he really did not seem like a two visibility.) JT: MORP2 (He was the leader of the tribe and it was in a positive way.) Sandy: MOR2 (Amazing cooldown that keeps her in the running as a potential winner.) Spencer: MOR (Definitely narrator material.) Stephen: CPP3 (He was goofy in a likable way and we got into his head.) Sydney: UTR1 (Same reasoning as Joe.) Taj: CPP4 (We got into her head, understood her strategy, and she was a likable personality to root for, although I could understand a neutral.) Timbira Tribe: Benjamin: OTTN5 (I give him the OTT just because of how gross and disgusting he was flirting with Candace and holding her hand and trying to lick her. That's what's memorable about him.) Brendan: CP4 (He got a lot of focus on Exile Island and as Sierra's ally, and I still think he'll wind up snaking Coach at some point.) Candace: CP5 (I don't see her as negative, because if she were bitchy, we would've gotten a lot more than her strategizing and having issues with Coach, who was OTTN. She didn't snap at him and she wasn't unpleasant to be around, but we understood why she went home as a schemer.) Debbie: OTT2 (She was goofy in falling for the fire pit and all about tribe spirit at tribal council. I think she's just a naturally OTT person and I could see a P rating for her, but not an N or an M.) Erinn: UTR2 (Unlike Sydney & Joe, I don't think this was a bad UTR. I mean, she got focus, but was hidden.) Jerry: UTR1 (He was REALLY hidden this episode. He just wasn't focused on and it makes me wonder what will happen to him, because he seems like he could easily be given a Bob or Yau-Man episode, but he's getting nothing.) Sierra: CP3 (She got some positive SPV, but I don't think her EDIT was overall positive for this episode. She seemed like she was shown early because of her story with Brendan, and then was hidden, even as a boot target.) Tyson: MOR2 (Despite two relatively weak edits thus far, I still think he looks good in terms of a winner, because he gets these unnecessary scenes and is memorable.) Winners: Sierra (She's HAD to be shown thus far, but she's been hidden as well and she has a lot of self-awareness.) Tyson (As in his write-up, I think he's gotten a lot of unnecessary focus and unnecessary scenes to make us remember him.) Stephen (He's getting some good focus on Jalapao and he has some solid ties to the other players, plus an introductory confessional.) Erinn (I can understand what people see in her, and with winners like Danni and Bob, it's entirely possible Erinn's getting a winner edit. Her tribal council question was important and so was the fact that she was seen as so tight with Candace, despite the overwhelming majority against Candace.) Brendan (No opening confessional, and a weakish first episode, but he was still important in episode one in setting up ties with Coach, and this episode made him look even better.) JT (He's the leader and the guy we're supposed to root for, so anything is possible.) Spencer (He seems weird. I mean, he's got a lot of potential, so I'll keep him on my list.) Possible: Jerry (He had a very weak edit this episode, but his episode one was pretty good.) Taj (She had a decent edit in episode 1 and a better one in this episode, so it's possible.) Sandy (She was OTTM5+, but that could just be because the story revolved around her or because that's just her personality. Either way, she got a great cooldown.) Ben (He's certainly not being ignored, so I suppose anything is possible.) Nearly Eliminated: Sydney (Someone made the point about her being perfect for an INV, but still, her edit is dumb and unimportant thus far.) Joe (Basically...who?) Debbie (More memorable than the first two, but she has an INV and this episode did not help at all.) |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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Also, for strategy ratings...
Jalapao Tribe: Joe - S0 (possible S1) JT - S1+ Sandy - S0 Spencer - S0 Stephen - S2 Sydney - S0 (possible S1) Taj - S2= Timbira Tribe: Benjamin - S2= Brendan - S2+ Candace - S2 (Possible S2-) Debbie - S1 Erinn - S1 Jerry - S1 Sierra - S2+ Tyson - S1 |
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EPISODE TWO
J.T. - MORP2 It looks like he knows how to fish and has picked up a buddy. Not much from him this episode. Visibility - Solid 2
Joe - UTR2 We heard him in the background. He ate ½ a worm with Spencer. Visibility - Medium 2
Sandy - UTR2 She is still alive…but that's about it.
Visibility - Medium 2
Spencer - MOR3 He ate ½ a worm and narrated Jalapao's story. He edit reminded me of Alex's from S-14. Visibility - Weak 3 The average confessionals for the episode was 1.8 he got 2 and a TQC.
Steven - CPP3 Who'd a thunk it…Sreven and JT buddy's. He had a nice scene in the water. Made the winning basket. Visibility - Weak 3
Sydney - UTR1 Barely there. Visibility - 1 The least visible player in the episode.
Ben - MORN4 This was a very bad episode for Ben…his ego will kill him. Visibility - Very strong 4
Brendan - CP5 This was a great episode for Brendan's chances. In the past, players sent to EI in the first 3 episodes and got a 5 in visibility were Cirie and Sugar. Terry in episode 4. Yul and Earl got 4's. He is probably in the F-4 or 5. They show us Ben trusting Brendan when we know that he shouldn't. Visibility - Minimum 5
Candace - OTTN5 I knew she was going home in the beginning when she was arguing with Ben about the beans. Visibility - Minimum 5
Debra - UTR2 She snitched on Candace to Ben. She seems to think that she is close to Ben. Visibility - Medium 2 with no confessional
Erinn - MOR2 She was the voice of Survivor reasoning at T.C. Don't trust anyone. Visibility - Medium 2
Jerry - UTR2 Doing what he said he was going to do…lay low. They showed him side stepping the bean rice issue with Ben and Candace. He said at TC that he has "bonded with these people" which set Erinn off. Visibility - Strong 2
Sierra - CP4 Why is she getting so much attention? Visibility - Medium 4
Tyson - MOR3 He got the I/RC confessional saying that Serra was a goner. Visibility - Weak 3
Winning edits Jerry
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Erinn's edit actually reminds me a bit of a toned-down Parvati. Parvati was in danger in episode 1. In episode 2, she made alliances with Amanda, Ozzy, and
James (or was that 3?).
Erinn wasn't in danger and didn't go to TC in episode 1. Yet, they showed her. Most young girls, hate to say it, that aren't integral or leave early, are horribly neglected in the early episodes. Then, in episode 2, she was shown again at key times. Is she my number one choice to win? Hell no. But it's nice to see that many people are at least putting her on their short lists. And I am confused as to why so many people are quick to dismiss Coach's chances? Maybe this is Borneo all over again? A very very UTR winner last season followed by a major CPN/OTT winner this season? Stranger things have happened. However, I am leaning in favor of Sierra at the moment. It's a slight lead that will likely change. I don't have an absolute clear front runner. None of us should, not after last season's Marcus fiasco. My pick for the final 2 are Tyson and Sierra. I HOPE that it's a final 2 because final 3's are getting old and SUCH in a 16-person season. Sierra wins. There are some hints. (1) Tyson has criticized Erinn who thought highly of her. Bad guy vs good girl? (2) Tyson said he lied directly to Candace. A sign of things to come? Does Tyson continue this? Something tells me that Tyson is involved in several blindsides this season. If it's not Tyson/Sierra then it's Tyson/Erinn. Or perhaps, if it's a final 3, it's Tyson/Erinn/Sierra. I have a feeling Tyson's going to end up being a villain this season. I also find it strange that while Coach and Tyson are so CP, there has been no mention of solid alliances that either has made, with each other or not. ETA: Has there ever been a female who got 2 consecutive CP's pre-merge, let alone the first two episodes? I'm thinking that Cirie is the only one who ever did this. The thing is she was supposedly overcome by Parvati. If Sierra is the next female to do so, who is her "Parvati" on Timbira?
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DeadNotSleeping |
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Changed names from the obscurely obscene "Plumpynut Saves" to this, but I assume you don't remember who that was so it's kind of a moot point.
On first impressions:
Now that Stephen and JT are making each other friendship bracelets and such, I think we can speculate with a fair amount of certainty that what they're trying to say here is "First impressions are wrong", or at least "You can overcome first impressions", Which bodes well for Sierra, I think. So looking back at the first segment of the first episode, I'm gonna speculate that:
So that's what I got so far.
Last thing about the first episode:
Tyson, Erinn, Sandy, Sierra, Jerry, Spencer, Stephen, JT, Brendan andCoach should all get a +1 next to their name for the season. Sandy, Coach, Erinn, Sierra, Tyson and Stephen should also get a shiny gold star. Opening confessionals seem very important. Erinn and Tyson's star might be extra shiny, as their confessionals are not telling the immediate story.
Shortlist, in no particular order:
Erinn - I think she should be UTR3 for the episode. I know vis chart says 2, but the face time surely bumps her up to a 3. It was a very strange edit that deserves a strange rating. Basically, Erin was woven into Candaces story as the lone ally, even though she had no business being there (Her voting comment suggests they never had an alliance, and were just talking). And her face was everywhere, noticing stuff. Also - the quick exchange between her and Debee at tribal is the sort of thing that you'd leave on the editing room floor. It had nothing to do with anything this episode. I'm gonna go with the prediction of "Erinn either mutinies, faces jury or both". Then again, I have yet to be right about anything ever.
Also - she was toneless. I don't think negativity sticks to you just by talking to someone (Bob and Corrine were an alliance of two making moves together, and they had opposite tone). Her comments at tribal were smart, and she got no weird\disapproving reaction shots. Only Debee got one of those (From Candace, but still). Tribal council editing is rarely subtle. They make their points with chimes and eye rolls.
Shiny gold star for pre-credits confessional.
Jerry - Boring yet plausible. He established who he was, said he was going UTR, and then went UTR. Continually present, in a minor way, and got a little tribal council attention. Could happen.
Sierra - She's getting a lot of attention, and is more or less the protagonist of the Timbira tribe as I see it. She probably needs some what of a cool-down, but I really like her edit so far.
Shiny gold star for pre-credits confessional.
Spencer - Got to introduce himself in the first episode as someone who loves the game, portrayed as leading the charge to keep Sandy, and now saying she's the next to go. So far he is connected to all Jalapanos vote-off talk. He is a bit Narratorr-ish, but some of those win. Additionally, there was no mention of his royal fuck-up at the first immunity challenge. Carolina was interviewed saying he even turned around and started screaming at HIS OWN tribe during the FIRST IMMUNITY CHALLENGE which HE LOST for them, almost single-handedly. We saw nothing of that, which is excellent for him. Probably a positive character later on.
Stephen - Got a scene along the trek, which I think is big, and got to already build a two-episode relationship arc with JT. Went from "We are not going to get along, as I am Jewish and he is southern" to "JT is amazingly great, and I have decided we are now the odd couple". It's like the first one was there only to signal us as to the importance of the second one. And maybe it changes back, as he explained he was in it for the benefits. I also think he was CP-ish this episode, as he explained why exactly he wants to be friends with JT and how it benefits him. He shows insight to how he is perceived, which is very important. I think for a none-TC episode, he was above the CP threshold.
Shiny gold star for pre-credits confessional.
Tyson - Had a strong first episode including his own scene, which is in my opinion very poorly represented on the charts as an OTTM2. Mixed I can live with, even though I think he was weakly positive, as tone is confusing and it's hard to rate someone who strikes me as a "loveable funny smart villain" type (someone said "evil class clown", which is an apt description). Tyson was not, however, flat. The tiara talk should have been taken in the same way in which it was said and presented - In jest. And yes, running around naked is OTT, but then explaining why you run around naked, how that benefits you and betters your image in the eyes of the tribe is CP. The fact that he got a chance to introduce himself, his immediate tactic, explain why he's doing what he's doing and show insight into how others perceive him should trump superficial stuff like "got naked" or "mentioned tiaras". It really should. Jokes =\= OTT. So I'm kind of ignoring the official chart as far as Tyson is concerned, and this episode he had a nice cool-down while being present and even seeming to have a word in the question of "who goes". The "I just lied to your face" beat was both funny, semi-malicious, fore-shadowy and unnecessary. I like him.
Shiny gold star for pre-credits confessional.
Apparently I had a lot to say! Good season, ya'll. |
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Jedijake |
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Good call! UTR3 is actually perfect for Erinn!
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Kathy Fan 2 |
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I made a YouTube vid of the scenes that stuck out in my mind regarding Erinn. Several reaction shots that didn't really need to be there, and the Tribal
Council moment.
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boardies20 |
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Jalapao JT - MORP2 - Teaching Stephen how to fish. Memorable challenge performance. Adorable!
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Kathy Fan 2 |
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Am I way off in terms of editing, or does Stephen's intial edit appear to be a bit like Kenny's from last season? The gamer/outsider, finds a friend in
Crystal...makes it deep into the endgame...city boy...thinks he'll be an outsider, finds a friend in JT...realizes he's in a good position...
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chad6 |
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My ratings after only watching once:
JT- MORP2 Joe- UTR2 Sandy- UTR2 Spencer- MOR3 Stephen- MOR3 Sydney- UTR1 Taj- CP4 Ben- MORN4 Brendan- CP5 Candace- MORN5 Debra- UTR2 Erinn-UTR2 Jerry- UTR2 Sierra- MOR4 (I'm not set on this rating b/c it seems most think she was CP. Can someone explain to me how she was CP?) Tyson- UTR2 |
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Dictatorship |
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Sierra was very CP, talking about how she trusts Brendan because he didn't vote for her, etc. The whole idol-searching was CP for both of them IMO.
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chad6 |
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Ok, I'm not saying she wasn't CP, I was just saying I didn't see it. I don't even notice her that much, so maybe I need to watch the episode
again.
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RageBot |
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Ratings after first view:
Jalapao JT - MOR2 - He is a likeable person and called "leader of his tribe" by Stephen. Joe - UTR2 - The averege one. He gets a nothing edit and a meaningless scene. Sandy - MOR2 - After the crazy lady in the first ep she got a cooldown, seems to start and get along with her tribe, says a ton of winner quotes, in my opinion - too much. Spencer - MOR3 - Keeps contradicting his opinions, first saying that Sandy is the next and switching stuff, and this episode he really didn't have a lot of content, he may become the narrator. Stephen - CPP3 - Oh, now we're talking. The guy has a great winner's edit, quite CPish in the first episode, CP in the second one, and has just what a winner needs - self awareness. The guy knows his weaknesses, the guy knows what happens in camp, he got an opening confessional, and most importantly - In the first confessional segment Sandy told us she's gonna move him around, and in this season, you knows it's gonna be the complete opposite. Sydney - UTR1/2 don't care. Taj - CPP4 - Shown as a nice and smart person, knows what's going on ib the game and such, also is getting ties to later in the season. If she would've had an OC she was quite high in my list. Tambira Brendan - CP5 - A ton of strategy/CP screentime, helps P Sierra, shown as lier in a good way. Candace - IdunnoN5 - I'll probably go with OTT on this one but it doesn't really matter. Coach - CPN5 - We actually did get into his head about what happens around and what he is thinking, we're just supposed to hate him. Debra - UTR2 Erinn - MOR2? - I really have no idea why pepole even consider her as the winner, I mean seriously. Jerry- UTR2 - Does what he wants, to get under the radar and bla bla, if he is the winner, then that is the way he would've been edited. Sierra - CPP4 - We're supposed to root for her, she knows what's going around, we know what goes inside her head. Tyson - MOR2 - Great cooldown episode, we are reminded that he is going to be (one of the) villian of this season. Winners List: 1: Stephen 2: Tyson 3: Sierra Eliminated: Joe Debra Sydney |
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gretchensucks |
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I don't buy the "Erinn had no reason to be there" in the Candace storyline arguments. She was there because she was obviously the person Candace
was talking to. They had to give Candace's perspective...and if she was telling it to Erinn, then yes...Erinn HAD to be there.
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Jedijake |
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One thing is for sure. We have a HELLUVA lot of options this season than we've had in a LONG time.
Seriously, most seasons have just a few possibilities. Episode 1 looked meek, but episode 2 put a bunch of folks in the spotlight. However, here's something to consider. Look at how many people shot down Cirie's chances after the first episode of Micronesia. When all was said and done, she was the second best choice behind Parvati and many people's first choice. If we went by that standard, we wouldn't have half of the people who are currently being considered as contenders in this season. People like TJ, Stephen, and possibly even Spencer would not be considered. I think last season broke the seal on who should and should not be considered a possible winner. We've only completely eliminated 3 people reasonably based on limited visibility (Joe, Debra, Sydney). I don't think anyone should logically eliminate Coach quite yet. Arrogant people have won, ya know. (even when they were called out for being such) |
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I think last season's edgic failed because of a combination of 2 things and should TOTALLY be disregarded. I don't think that trend will continue.
1. There were too many interesting PERSONALITIES. Sugar, Asshole Randy, Kenny the underog gamer, Crystal the outspoken anti-athlete, Susie the traitor, Corinne the bitch, etc. Even arrogant Ace. It was such a strange cast that gave interesting confessionals, everyone was so colorful. Could you imagine the season if they focused solely on boring lovable Bob the entire time? I think that's what threw off the edgic of the season. And number 2 would be that Sugar turned out to be someone who cared more about the fame/attention rather than the money. Edgically speaking Bob SHOULD and COULD have been eliminated had Sugar done what was in her best interest. She willingly took someone she knew she had no chance to beat, whereas in other seasons that usually doesn't happen and the editing reflects such. Bob really had no business being in the finals, and focusing on him all season would have been boring. I think that's why he received so many 0's and low scores in his confessional counts. |
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Jedijake |
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I think this season has better "characters" or more interesting ones at least. Actually, it seems that this season has more people who understand the
game of Survivor.
In some ways, this season, to me, harkens back to the early days. I didn't feel it after episode 1, but I feel it now for some reason. Most of the characters last season were very negative and were immediately portrayed as people who had absolutely no chance whatsoever (Randy, Corinne, Crystal) or several were very invisible. Much of that had to do with the numbers. Think of the better seasons we've had lately. Exile Island and China were much better than most seasons since All Stars .They had 16 people. I just hope we have a final 2 rather than a final 3. |
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Jedijake wrote:Ignoring tone, post-ASS women contestants with consecutive (or longer) CP ratings pre-merge: Ami, Steph (S10), Amy, Cirie, Sally, Leslie, Ami (S16), Eliza (S16), Cirie (S16). Of these, the only one to do it in the first 2 episodes was Steph. |
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I don't think anyone should logically eliminate Coach quite yet. Arrogant people have won, ya know. (even when they were called out for being such)
Arrogant? Sure. But Coach seems to also be portrayed as weak. When your whole thing is "The Strong Shall Survive", dragging your tribe down in challenges is kind of unforgivable. Especially when it's mentioned by Jeff and other players later, when it can just as easily be ignored. That makes you a… weird arrogant hypocrite. Also, the show is already treating him as a joke, so I feel relatively secure with Coach off my shot list.
Maybe you're right. It's just that I got the impression
that Erinn and Candance were portrayed as allies even though they were not. I still think it's very plausible, seeing how open Candance was in her contempt
for Coach, that she spoke with other people about how much he sucks, and voting etc, while the show is choosing to focus on Erinn.
They were shown talking, the two of them, alone, about strategy and voting, on two separate occasions. That's weird to me, when Erinn's voting comment is "I like you but I don't trust you", and not something along the lines of "Sorry, I have to go with the majority". It doesn't add up. It's possible Erinn is the only one Candace spoke to about
these things, but I find it a bit unlikely. It feels to me like the editing created an alliance that never was, which adds to Erinn's already kind of weird
edit this episode with the looking knowingly all over the place and never speaking to us once. I can see how someone might disagree, and I might be making
something out of nothing, but that felt very manipulated to me.
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