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Jedijake wrote:

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Sierra - UTRP4 - I know that a lot of people will disagree with this rating but I cant think of any other that would work.

Um, not to be rude or anything, but do you realize there is no such thing as this?

Why not? Are you suggesting that visibility determines rating, in a sense? If so, why would you suggest we need both in these cases?

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Also, why all of the speculation based on Erinn due to her "odd" or "carefully crafted" edit? Edgic guidelines don't say that unusual edits win or that edits with a lot of unneeded attention win. They propose a set of predictable and identifiable editing patterns that consistently predict a winner. If anything, "odd" edits are probably bad for chances in the traditional Edgic view because they don't fit a pattern. In terms of carefully crafted edits, nothing suggests that only winners receive manipulation and care in the craft of their edits. This signifies nothing more than the fact that the character is important or useful in the telling of the story.

Not that I would say Erinn can't win. The only people I currently think of as eliminated or damn close are Debbie, Sydney, and Joe. Nonetheless, the arguments forwhy Erinn is a contender seem to either point to problems in her edit or at the very least things that only point to her being a long term player (place your "bets" wisely, I guess).

First ratings I've done in several seasons. Done after only 1 watch. Comments only where I see there may be controversy. Visibility is directly from the chart, as I love objectivity where possible.

Timbira
Brendan - CP5
Candace - MORN5 - She was not quite the one-note villain that OTTN would signify. We didn't really get much development from her but what we got did not strike me as caricatured.
Coach - OTTN4
Debbie - OTT2 - Portrayed as extremely upbeat, naive, and trusting.
Erinn - MOR2 - Her TC comment tells us more about her as a person and as a character than UTR would imply.
Jerry - UTR2
Sierra - CP4
Tyson - MOR3 - "I lied to your face and you bought it *hahaha*" Wants to keep with tribal plans to oust Sierra. We learned a lot from him during these scenes.

Jalapao
Joe - UTR2
JT - OTTP2 - The hero of Jalapao - from a SPV perspective, no less.
Sandy - UTR2 - Nothing we didn't already learn from episode 1
Spencer - MOR3
Stephen - CP3
Sydney - UTR1
Taj - CP4 - I didn't see the editors crafting the positivity some are reporting.

Winner Chances:

Type A:
Good chances: Not placing any "bets" yet.
Still in contention: All players except for Joe, Sydney, and Debbie (all due to visibility)
Eliminated: (see above)

Type B:
Good chances: Not placing any "bets" yet.
Still in contention: Most players (infer from below)
Weak Chances: Sierra (too complex so far and her story could probably easily be told from an A perspective)
Eliminated: Coach (too negative), Debbie (INV), Joe (vis), Sydney (vis).

Type C (ie: eliminated unless a totally new and unseen winner pattern emerges due to both A and B edits being impossible to craft):
Debbie
Joe
Sydney

Why is Erinn UTR and not MOR? Most of the arguments seem to be basing the idea on visibility (she was low vis so that's UTR). That's not the point. Rating (in my mind anyway) is about character development. UTR signals little to none. CP signals lots of it (in a well rounded 3 dimensional way). OTT signals lots of it (in a 1 dimensional caricature way). MOR is somewhere in the middle.

The TC question developed Erinn as a character significantly. Who knew before that moment that she was a "don't trust anybody bc we barely know each other" type of person/player? Given the weight such a comment has, learning that about her is quite interesting. That's the take-home message I get from her in this episode. Constrast that with Joe - we didn't learn anything about Joe as a player or person (save that he can eat termites - whoopdydo). There was little to no development of Joe as a character. Both players had the same visibility based on the chart, but the quality of the edits is quite different.

I'll concede that the official guidelines point to Erinn being UTR, but I also think the official guidelines represent MOR and UTR as what are essentially a new way to write 2-4 or 1-3 visibility, respectively. Some of the ways each are defined come directly from statements about face time, amount of speaking roles, SPV, confessionals, etc. These are all parts of the Visibility construct so rating Rating based on Visibility is repetitive in my mind - why have both if they come from the same information? Nonetheless, like I said, I will admit that by the official guidelines, she is UTR2.

For my ratings and arguments, though, I'm trying to pull out what is unique about the Rating construct and using that to rate players. Even if it does not end up as a majority opinion, hopefully it does manage to point out a few key differences in players that will end up as equals or near equals on the chart (Erinn/Joe).