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Oowatanite		#1121	[-]
Posts: 6980 (03/01/09 8:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Final Ratings Taj MOR3 JT MOR3 Joe UTR2 Sydney INV Sandy UTR1 Spencer UTR1 Stephen UTR2 Coachebag OTTNN5 Tyson OTTN4 Brendan MORP4 Jerry OTTP4 Sierra MOR2 Erinn CP4 Debbie UTR2 Winner List Top Tier - Erinn, Sierra, Stephen Almost D.U.N. - JT, Taj, Brendan D.U.N. - Debbie, Sandy, Sydney, Joe, Tyson, Spencer, Coachebag
guatemala fanfic	EPISODE 3 RATINGS	#1122	[-]
Posts: 4505 (03/01/09 8:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Survivor: Tocantins - Episode 3 (Ratings Watchdog) Before I get into my post, I have to say that I've really started to become very bothered and even annoyed by some people in Edgic this season, which is something I haven't experienced before to this extent and it's starting to affect me a little bit. I could go on, but unless it continues to get worse (which it has every week so far), I'm not going to say anything else… So, with that out of the way, here are my final ratings for Episode 3, and once again the post is arranged roughly in order of how I see their contention to win. Top Tier 1. Sierra: MOR2 Rating: Sierra got one confessional saying that Erinn was pretty surprised at the vote against Candace and now she's panicking. Her second confessional said that the tribe was going to vote her out when she was sick, so she's not going to be stupid and keep Jerry. This is what I mean when I say that MOR people's confessionals are more "significant" and insightful than those of people who get UTR, so Sierra is a perfect example. :) She also had the line "Why are we doing this again? A million dollars…" Her edit is looking very, very good right now (especially when compared to most females on recent seasons). Tone: Not really any obvious tone this time. Visibility: Clear 2. VERDICT: Last week was #2, Previously #2 Episode 3: Sierra moves up to #1 this week because she got some good development and moments of complexity in an episode where it wasn't absolutely essential. She also has the strong first episode; manipulation in her edit to make her look more positive and favorable to the audience; and the opening confessional. Looks great! Episode 2: The attention that Sierra has been getting is interesting, especially for a female. Her edit is one of the strongest for a woman in recent memory. Of course, most of her visibility is times when she has to be shown, but not all of it, and she's certainly being treated in a way that makes her favourable to the audience. This episode gave her some good game insights about the hidden Immunity Idol, and I think she's still someone to watch for sure. Episode 1: This is difficult to say because due to her being picked by Timbira for the first vote, she had to be shown. But I think the way the editors chose to portray her is important. They portrayed her in a positive light and in a way where she overcame a first impression and improved on the way her tribemates viewed her (even though Coach still wanted to vote her out). They could have made her negative or whiny, but they didn't. She was got an opening confessional, which last season confirmed has to be important due to Bob being shown before the credits. I believe the winner will more likely come from the Timbira tribe, and next to Tyson, I have the fewest reasons to lower her on the list. I'm noticing some potential flaws with some of the other people, but not Sierra yet. 2. Tyson: CPN4 Rating: This was by far the most difficult rating for me to determine out of everyone. I can see OTT based on some of the things he said, but I lean towards his edit being more complex. I would definitely say we got into his head. I mean, the extended confessional about Coach was a pretty good assessment of him: "he's not always the best at what he's coaching, but he thinks he knows the most. … He likes his voice to be heard." He's smart enough to recognize that being seen as the assistant coach to Coach is good for his position in the tribe (and Coach will definitely keep him around). I think they created complexity out of a potentially over-the-top confessional/scene. He also got a pretty decent question at Tribal Council about needing one single win to gain momentum back. It's hard to explain why CP or OTT. I expect it to be a close call though, so I guess I will have to try! Tone: Definitely an N intent, if only for the "I love seeing people cry when you crush their dreams." Visibility: Clear 4. VERDICT: Last week was #1, Previously #1 Episode 3: Tyson slides just below Sierra this week. It's not so much that he had a bad episode; it's just that everything about Sierra's edit has been strong. Some of Tyson's comments were maybe a little concerning, but I still think he has one of the best edits considering all three episodes. He's getting a lot of attention; he has the strong opening episode; he's on Timbira (the tribe that seems to house the winner, as of right now); he's gotten a fair amount of character and strategic insight. The thing I'll really have to watch is that he doesn't become a distraction. Episode 2: Once again, Tyson got some good development even though he didn't appear to be central to the story. He seemed to get just the right amount of attention in Timbira's first Tribal Council episode without it being too much or too little, and he got some subtle moments of strategy. He continues to be my #1 choice, although he is not as high above everyone else as he was last week. Sierra inched up on him a little bit. Episode 1: Tyson is my #1 winner pick at the moment for a few reasons. Yes, he got an opening confessional, but let's explore that a little bit more. Stephen/Sandy got opening confessionals that pointed to Sandy being picked for Jalapao's first impressions vote. Sierra/Coach got confessionals that pointed to Sierra being picked for Timbira's vote. It obviously made sense for both of those sets of confessionals to be included in the episode. So why randomly include Tyson and Erinn as the first set that is shown? My guess as of right now is because Tyson (not Erinn) wins. Erinn's confessional told that audience that the winner was a good guy to have around and it was the first "first impression" to be shown. In addition to that, as I said back on Thursday, Tyson got an Aras-like scene that built his character up and it was included in the episode when it did not have to be shown. In fact it added nothing really to the episode and the editors could have easily put something there about Candace or someone else on Timbira. Also, the positioning of this scene in the episode makes it seem like it was just thrown in there before the Immunity Challenge. There was some reason why this was put in there, and for right now, I think it's because Tyson wins. He also got a specific confessional that introduced his character to the audience as the "not-typical Mormon." I believe he was also the first to mention "million dollars" in the episode - the same as Todd was in China. I believe the winner will more likely come from the Timbira tribe. 3. Stephen: MOR2 Rating: Stephen had 3 confessionals that were kindof narrative in nature, but also showed a little bit of game insight. Tone: Leaning ever so slightly towards P, but not enough for it. Visibility: A 2 or a 3. I'll go with 2 just because I don't think he had quite as much as J.T. or Taj this week. VERDICT: Last week was #3, Previously #8 Episode 3: For now, he stays at #3, just behind Sierra and Tyson, partly for the fact that it still seems like Timbira is the complex tribe and there will be a Timbira winner. But I think Stephen has now slightly taken over J.T. as the person with the best edit on Jalapao. Plus he does have the opening confessional working in his favor too. Episode 2: Stephen makes the biggest jump up this week for his insightful comments on his relationship with J.T. and how that works into the game. I'm not convinced he'll be the winner, as much as I am that he will make at least the mid-game, but going strictly by his ratings, his edit looks very good. Episode 1: Stephen was interesting in that he was a part of two "paired" sets of confessionals: one with Sandy before the opening credits, and one with J.T., so he got to give his impressions of TWO players. I'm not sure what it means though. I would rank him above Spencer, but I think the only reason Stephen's confessional was in there before the opening credits is because of Sandy - it was more significant for her to be there, not him. Second Tier 4. Erinn: CPM4 Rating: Erinn gets a CP for her full understanding of the position she's in ("The time that I spent with Candace associated me with her more than I would have liked. Now I have to turn 'girl that maybe is kindof on the outs a little bit' into absolutely the opposite of that. … I have to go in there and I have to outperform … Sierra and Debbie … because now I feel like I'm kinda fighting for my life a little bit.") She knew exactly where she stood in the tribe and she tells us what she has to do to change it. She also got a confessional saying she didn't want to be too obvious in saying to vote Jerry out because he's sick, but she kinda wanted to. She got some development for her supposed "evil smile" and then she spoke quite a bit at Tribal Council about the Immunity Challenge, and about Coach as leader, etc. Definitely well-developed, definitely complex. Tone: Difficult. I thought she was CPN after watching it the first time, but since then I think that the editing is definitely on her side much more than Coach's, and she was pointed out by Jeff as being right in the Immunity Challenge, which is usually a good thing. Mixed seems like the fairest way to go because she definitely had some negativity (including comments from Sierra too, not just Tyson and Coach) but she had some subtle positive moments as well. Visibility: Definitely should be a 4, in my opinion. VERDICT: Last week was #5, Previously was #5 Episode 3: Erinn moves up a little bit on my list this week over J.T. I definitely see her as a character who will be around for a while and the fact that she got a CP episode in this situation when Kelly last season got an OTTN for basically the same situation makes me think Erinn has significance to the story. She is getting a lot of attention and story manipulation, and this CP is what she needed. Next week she should be MOR2/3ish. If she goes back to UTR again, it won't be very good for her chances. Episode 2: Erinn stays at my #5 spot mostly because other people's edits are clearly worse than hers right now. I don't think this edit did much to help her chances, but they didn't plummet either. Episode 3 will be important in determining if she's just another Kelly or if she can last. I actually think, if she doesn't go early, she may be involved in taking out Coach, but that wouldn't point to her winning or not winning. Episode 1: I initially had Erinn as #2 on my Contenders list but have since changed it. Despite being given an opening confessional (and the first of the season), I rank her outside of my top four for a few reasons. She was voted for at the first impressions vote by Brendan, yet this never came up at all in the episode and I would expect it to if she was the winner. This wouldn't just be glossed over. But the opening confessional is important because, like I said in Tyson's write-up, there was a reason for the Sandy/Stephen confessionals and the Sierra/Coach confessionals. So why put Erinn and Tyson in there? My logic says that one of them is the winner, but considering the rest of their edits, the winner is Tyson, not Erinn. Still, that doesn't mean she won't be important to the season and tied to Tyson in some way. I believe the winner will more likely come from the Timbira tribe. 5. J.T.: MOR3 Rating: Another male on Jalapao who filled a narration role in this episode. We saw him during most scenes; he gave a few pleasant confessionals, but their wasn't anything particularly significant about any of them. Great example of a MOR3. Tone: Like Stephen, he's leaning ever so slightly towards P, but not enough for it. Visibility: Definitely should be a 3. VERDICT: Last week was #4, Previously #3 Episode 3: Probably the only reason I (subjectively) keep J.T. above Brendan and Taj is that he made a first impression in the premiere and got the strongest Jalapao edit. Brendan's and Taj's stories are not only tied together, but neither started until Episode 2 which makes me think they are players who go far but don't win. The other negative to J.T.'s edit is that he is getting a little bit too narrator-ish as well. This is why he has begun to slip a bit while Erinn has gone up. I think J.T. will need something OTHER than a MOR next week to stay up here. Episode 2: I still think Timbira remains the more complex tribe, but I also maintain that J.T. has one of the two best edits on Jalapao. He and Stephen are neck-and-neck (they could be 3-4 or 4-3), but I think Stephen got a little bit more insight into that relationship. Still, J.T. had a very strong Episode 1 edit so looking at both episodes together, he remains a great pick at this point. Episode 1: Even though I'm pretty certain the winner will come from Timbira at this point, J.T. definitely has the best chances out of anyone on Jalapao. Next to Sandy and Carolina, I would say he left the strongest impression and he was the next most visible after them. As I mentioned above, he was borderline CP (which is important) and he also got a strange confessional that introduced himself to the audience. It's hard to explain why I would put one person over the other because I really do feel that most of my top seven or so are pretty even, with the exception of Tyson. Maybe it's just because I wanted to have a Jalapao up there, but I definitely do see something in J.T.'s edit. Middle Tier 6. Brendan: CPP4 Rating: This is another rating that I had a really hard time with. I initially thought MOR for him, but I couldn't give Taj CP and Brendan only MOR. They both had pretty much the same edits, but Brendan got a little more development since he actually found the idol AND went to Tribal Council. His most complex confessional was definitely the one about being an entrepreneur and not being there for the money but being in Survivor to do something he loves and to win the game. Tone: A minor P for being named as the person who should be the leader. That reflected well on him, but I'm definitely not opposed to neutral, and I would support that for sure. Visibility: I would say a 4 is best for him. VERDICT: Last week was #9, Previously was #10 Episode 3: I don't have much to say about him that I didn't say last week. He moves up a bit on the list due to other people moving down, but the fact that so much of his story is tied to Exile and the idol does not bode well for his winner chances. Instead, he seems like a player who goes quite far in the game and comes up short in the end. One potential negative is that we didn't get to hear his response to being nominated for tribe leader. Episode 2: Despite a strong Episode 2, his edit lacks a premiere where he made a memorable first impression and was introduced to the audience. He was only an extension of Coach in Episode 1, so we learned nothing about him. That keeps him low on my list, but I wouldn't be at all surprised for him to be in the game until Final Five or Six. The fact that he got so much development on Exile makes me think he'll be around and the alliance with Taj will prove to be significant. Episode 1: Even though he was featured in the scenes before the first commercial break, Brendan did not make any impression and none of his airtime was about himself. He would have been introduced as a multi-millionaire who started a granola company had he won. *Update:* Brendan was introduced as an entrepreneur (not a self-made millionaire) in Episode 2. He has potential to go up significantly on my list in the next episode or two. 7. Taj: CP3 Rating: Taj's only visibility was on Exile Island with Brendan, and she got two fairly complex and game-related confessionals. She was also involved in a lot of talk about the cross-tribal alliance with Brendan, Sierra, and Stephen. I do think she showed enough strategic thought and got enough development to earn a CP. Tone: Pretty neutral this time. Visibility: Could be a 3 or a 4, but this time I'm only going with a 3 for her. VERDICT: Last week was #10, Previously was #11 Episode 3: I don't have much to say about her that I didn't say last week. She moves up a bit on the list due to other people moving down, but the fact that so much of her story is tied to Exile (and the idol) does not bode well for her winner chances. Instead, she seems like a player who goes quite far in the game and comes up short in the end. Episode 2: Despite a strong Episode 2, her edit lacks a premiere where she made a memorable first impression and was introduced to the audience. We learned nothing about her. That keeps her low on my list, but I wouldn't be at all surprised for her to be in the game until around Final Five or Six. The fact that she got quite a bit of focus on Exile makes me think she'll be around and the alliance with Brendan will prove to be significant. [Interesting that I've said essentially the same thing for Taj and Brendan both weeks] Episode 1: Taj did not make a strong impression and none of her airtime was about herself. She would have been introduced as an NFL wife and former pop star from SWV had she won. *Update:* Taj was introduced as an NFL wife in Episode 2. She has potential to go up significantly on my list in the next episode or two. Close to Elimination These two are close to being put in my Eliminated category, but could bounce back with a strong Episode 4. 8. Sandy: UTR1 Rating: Pretty much the only memorable line from Sandy was the "sex kitten" line which came out of nowhere, but it really seems like it was put in almost to keep her on our radars. It certainly wasn't something that had to be shown, and it made you realize "Oh, there's Sandy!" She said a few other little things in the other Jalapao scenes, but you really had to be watching for her. Tone: Maybe a very minor P, but not enough for her to get UTRP. Edit: Actually, she was more "P" than I thought, but still not enough to justify it. Visibility: A 1, and she was definitely more visible/memorable than Sydney (and even Spencer). VERDICT: Last week was #6, Previously #9 Episode 3: She's falling a bit, but considering that Timbira lost Immunity and she wasn't a part of the main story on Jalapao (primarily just fishing, which seems geared more towards the athletic males on Survivor), so the UTR1 is not really surprising. However, UTR1 is not an immediate death nail, as Bob had several last season, and even winners like Yul and Parvati got an UTR1 episode (a near INV episode, I might add) early on. As I said last week, the next time Jalapao loses will be very telling for Sandy, but I think her Episode 4 is going to be important no matter what because she'll need something memorable (and preferably complex) after this borderline INV episode. Episode 2: I said last week that she would have to get an UTR2 or MOR2 this week in order to stay in contention, and she did, so the fact that she got a cooldown is what moved her up my list. Also, even with a MOR2 edit, she still said some game-related things which I think was important and definitely keeps her on my radar. The next episode that Jalapao goes to Tribal Council will be key for her because then we'll see if the cooldown was only because Timbira lost. Episode 1: Sandy's edit was very intriguing to me. At one point I almost gave her CPP, and that's what's most interesting: even though her edit (and personality) was seemingly OTT, there was still quite a bit of complexity there. One of the things that stood out most to me in the entire episode was when Sandy first arrived at Jalapao and she was crying at the flag. She said "I'm gonna make it to 39 days; I'm gonna show 'em, cause maybe I am the older woman, but I'm older and I'm wiser. This game is mine. This is what I believe with all my heart. So let the games begin." This jumped out to me as a possible winner's quote (or at least indicative that she might surprisingly make it to Day 39) and I started to think: how would Sandy be edited differently than this if she had won? And I don't know that she WOULD be. Yes, her visibility was insanely high, but she had to be shown given the fact that she was picked to "not make the journey" by Jalapao. And she got a significant amount of insight about the game as well, such as "I have to look at for number one, me." My Episode 1 rating (and the consensus) for Bob was OTTP3, so a winner getting an OTT edit in the first episode is not out of the question, especially in this instance where Sandy has a crazy personality. I can't discount her just for the OTT, especially when I feel like her edit had so much development to it. Unless she's a MAJOR part of Episode 2 and can't avoid being shown, she'd probably have to go down to something like UTR2 or MOR2 in order to stay in… 9. Spencer: UTR1 Rating: I see that a lot of people are being quick to hive him an INV1 (Edit: It's Saturday now, and I'm starting to see more UTR1s) but I believe that the fact that a question was shown for him at the challenge put him onto people's radars the same way that a confessional or Tribal Council question would do; hence, he just barely avoids an INV1 for it. Also, like Sandy, he actually did say quite a few things in the Jalapao scenes, but he was always in the background. Tone: Pretty neutral this time. Visibility: Just a few minor sentences = a 1. VERDICT: Last week was #7, Previously #7 Episode 3: Well, Spencer was no longer the narrator in this episode. Instead, he went to UTR1, merely getting a question from Jeff at the challenge. However, UTR1 is not an immediate death nail, as Bob had several last season, and even winners like Yul and Parvati got an UTR1 episode (a near INV1 episode, I might add) early on. I put him below Sandy though, perhaps oddly, but I would have expected to get some kind of narration from him, not for him to almost completely disappear. Episode 2: Spencer stays at #7 this week, even though I would say his chances are lower than last week. Why? He seems like he's going to be the "narrator" for the season, and the narrator is more than likely not going to be the winner. Still, his edit doesn't look bad just going strictly by the ratings and numbers, so he's definitely not close to elimination yet. Episode 1: Spencer got the second best edit on Jalapao, and as I said, it's hard to say why J.T. would be #3 and Spencer is at #7. A lot of these are interchangeable. But Spencer had a confessional introducing himself to the audience and I think that's important. The only reason this doesn't have quite as much stock is because it was pretty much a given with him being only 19 years-old. He also had a clear role in the strategy at the end of the episode, which I think could have been left out if the editors wanted to show someone else instead. Nevertheless, he's one to watch and I expect him to be around for a while. Eliminated by Edgic 10. Joe: UTR2 Rating: He fell into a bit more of a narrator role in this episode instead of Spencer. For me, this is a very close one between UTR and MOR, but his confessionals seemed to be a little bit more significant than what I would normally give UTR to, just in terms of how he spoke about the tribe starting to become a force to be reckoned with, etc. It was a small step above just reporting what was going on. Edit: No, upon rewatching, UTR seems best… Hmm. Maybe this one will be a close call. Tone: Surprisingly, almost a P this time for doing well as the Caller and saying fairly positive things in his confessionals. I considered UTRP for him; MORP doesn't seem right at all. Visibility: A 2 is probably best. VERDICT: Last week was #12, Previously #12 Episode 3: He does not have a strong enough edit to win even with an episode that is borderline MORish. He hasn't made a strong impression ever, and we know nothing about him. Episode 2: Not a strong enough first or second episode to win. Moves into the eliminated category this week. Episode 1: Not a strong enough first episode to win. 11. Coach: OTTNN5 Rating: If I were to go through the episode and write out everything that makes him OTT(NN), I could probably right out several pages and I don't feel that it's necessary. Tone: I strongly considered NN for him just because I feel that every single scene he was in portrayed him in an EXTREMELY negative light. Even the music used in at least 3 of these scenes directly contributed to this (as well as to the OTT). Edit: Yes, his negativity was off the charts this episode. Negative in every single scene with no positive to balance it out. Wow! Visibility: Clear 5. VERDICT: Last week was #11, Previously #4 Episode 3: This week Coach moves down into the Eliminated category, and even ends up below Joe. He was extremely OTT and very N this week, and I still believe he is being set up for a huge fall on account of his ego. Therefore, he does not win! Episode 2: Coach goes WAY down on my list after this episode. A CPN/MORN start is not good (originally, I had OTTN). Candace said something about his ego being his downfall, and I believe that this will happen 100%. Therefore, if this is right, he won't win but he'll probably last until around the Final Six or so and then get taken out of the game because he's been getting significant focus which suggests he'll be around awhile. Episode 1: Coach could potentially be an "obvious winner" like some of the male winners of recent seasons past, but I put him lower on my list because I think he's more likely to go one of two ways: 1) Either he ironically gets taken out of the game by a so-called "weak" player (most likely Sierra); or 2) He ends up getting beaten by a so-called "worthy opponent" (most likely Brendan or Jerry) and dies with honor and glory. Therefore, while his edit definitely has potential, he's not going to be the winner if either of these scenarios comes true. Still, he got a confessional before the opening credits, introduced himself to the audience as a "Renaissance Man," and I believe the winner will more likely come from the Timbira tribe, which is why I put him up here. 12. Sydney: INV1 Rating: Absolutely nothing worth noting. Tone: N/A Visibility: Once again, the lowest visibility of everyone in the episode. VERDICT: Last week was #13, Previously #13 Episode 3: The INV1 confirms her status as Eliminated. Episode 2: Not a strong enough first or second episode to win. Moves into the eliminated category this week. Episode 1: Not a strong enough first episode to win. 13. Debbie: UTR2 Rating: For the third episode in a row, Debbie didn't get a single confessional, and she hasn't been a major part of any scenes either. That means this UTR2 comes strictly from her being in the background of some scenes and saying a couple sentences. The only other time we saw her was during the Reward Challenge, where she was the Caller, so at least that put her on our screens for a little bit. Tone: Pretty neutral this time. Visibility: A 2, partly because of her position as Caller during the Reward Challenge. VERDICT: Last week was #14, Previously #14 Episode 3: She moves up 1 number only because of the number of peoples left, but she's still last out of the people remaining in the game. Episode 2: Still eliminated. Episode 1: Definitely cannot win, but she's more likely to stick around for a while than Candace is. Voted Out 14. Jerry: OTTP4 Rating: This is the third rating this week that I had a really hard time with. I can understand CPP, MORP, or OTTP, and I wouldn't mind any of them for him. I realize that he had some sortof complex comments in terms of his thoughts on his sickness, but as far as an overall impression on his edit, I felt that the sickness made him come across very simplified and one-note. All of his confessionals were pretty much the exact same. He talked about not wanting to be seen as weak; he always want to appear strong, and he's not going to give up, etc. Like other people have mentioned, I also think he asked to be voted out, but things were definitely manipulated to make him seem more "honorable," I think. It's hard to explain. I just felt he was very one-note. Tone: I'll admit it's a minor P, but I still feel the intention was positive for him. Visibility: Clear 4. VERDICT: Last week was #8, Previously #6 Episode 2: Jerry is just on the brink of being in the "Close to Elimination" category. This was not a good episode for him being that it was the first time Timbira went to Tribal Council. I think he will need a big episode next time for him to stay in this category. If not, he gets downgraded. Episode 1: Jerry was definitely put onto our radars with his confessional, and not only did it introduce his character as an Army Sergeant but it was also strategically insightful with his comment about not wanting to be a leader. I believe the winner will more likely come from the Timbira tribe, which is why Jerry ranks just above the other 3 in this category. CHARTS: I'm trying something new by keeping track of my winner ranks in a chart, and which group each person is placed into in each week: Dark Blue: Top Tier Blue: Second Tier Yellow: Middle Tier Green: Close to Elimination Red: Eliminated Gray: Voted Off
BlakeB717		#1123	[-]
Posts: 1383 (03/01/09 9:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm doing another quick rewatch before I post my ratings... *a reminder to Warrior that a few hours before the show started there was a change from gff and I to make Coach OTTN instead of MORN for Ep2
OnlyTheHunter		#1124	[-]
Posts: 1984 (03/01/09 9:38 PM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I am going to try to sneak under the deadline tomorrow. Sorry for being so inactive. My daughter's birthday is tomorrow, and I won't be there to see her, I was served with a notice and am in a fight to keep my house and just have a lot of life stuff getting to me and even the escape of the show isn't helping. I'll try to rate in time, but else I will post my ideas in case of tiebreaks. I'll try to be more involved soon. Sorry, been a lot on my mind. Michael
BlakeB717		#1125	[-]
Posts: 1384 (03/01/09 10:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	EPISODE THREE JALAPAO Joe... UTR2... his confessionals are always extremely short, unmemorable, but says some things to clear the story but we still know nothing about him JT... MORP3... the P may be trivial, but him catching fish and the entire positivity of "Pao!" reflects a lot on him and Stephen Sandy... UTR1... not enough manpulation to earn a P, but avoids INV1 with her subtitle Spencer... UTR1... Jeff asked him a question Stephen... MORP2... caught his first fish, narrator of the positivity going on at Jalapao alongside JT Sydney... INV1... the pretty blondes really do fade, looks like she's Jacque 2.0? Taj... CPP3... rewatch showed the manipulation and emphasis of her happiness of winning challenges (perhaps because she's in danger?) and the entire secret alliance has a P-feel and although her and Brendan's edit lacked a lot of juice, they continue to develop a plan that is going to affect the end game-- making it important TIMBIRA Coach... OTTN5... I don't think he is NN because the reason behind everything is "He's Coach", and his character is interesting and rather funny (although you are meant to loathe him, you know the editors don't want the audience to be disgusted, he's just crazy), very easy rating--major distraction who could be one of a kind Brendan... CPP4... insight on who is his and his motivation, P because of his association as a leader and the secret alliance and relationship with Taj, I think his 1 in episode 1 really hurts him but I'm thinking Sandy's visibility explosion hindered that, and he did get a good, smart confessional; he may win after that confessional when he found the idol Debbie... UTR2... lots of talking but we don't know who she is--background character Erinn... CPM4... decent insight about her position in the game and that she wants to be there, but the P of her wanting to stay and being right is definitely mixed in with her constant negativity (even if from other characters), we aren't suppose to really like her or hate her, but her tone was totally dynamic and not static Jerry... OTTP5... he could have gone all the way; a hero falls--his role was more of an emphasis that SURVIVOR is like war Sierra... MOR2... her edit has so much craft and manipulation, she's definitely put herself in a good position now and went from trying to survive to calling the shots--a very decent cooloff Tyson... CPN4... I have no idea what to make of his edit but he is going to be important and he is getting craft that he doesn't need to have, I'll have a clearer picture next episode hopefully CONTENDERS 1. Sierra... has all the elements of our traditional winners--a Bob or Danni will not win this season--she is connected to the secret alliance but also has her own story which is perfect for a winner 2. Brendan... maybe I'm jumping the gun but his final confessional on this episode was really good for his chances, I really don't like his Ep1 edit though 3. Tyson... I'm going to finally make my conclusion to his edit next week hopefully, I can't drop him off completely just yet (even though I think Stephen should be up here) "4". Stephen... should be higher but I don't like how he was so narrative this episode, but he has legs with JT and legs with the "Exile 4" so I need to see how his edit goes next week, I fear his story may be more like Eliza's was--panic about being voted off and being accepted: his story seems to be more like how the experience changes him rather than him winning "5". Wildshots but have something different that needs to play out: JT, Sandy and Erinn... we'll have to wait and see if their stories stop entirely or keep progressing EDGIC CHART
fat little fingers		#1126	[-]
Posts: 5886 (03/01/09 11:22 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Episode 3 Rants and Rates Jalapao JT MORP3 An absolute holding pattern edit for the Alabama Cattle Farm Manager. We continue to see him as the leader/anchor of Jalapao. JT's content for Ep3: "We'll get the fishing under control..." And we are promptly shown that they do. "It makes a huge difference to have a tarp..." "...if we've got 'um on their heels, then this is the time to put 'um down..." And Jalapao does just that. During the IC: "Come on Stephen! Keep it straight!" I thought that this was an interesting comment that the edit made a point to include. It includes the person he is most connected to and the admonition to "keep it straight". Interesting to see if that admonition becomes something more. So far, JT is exactly what his intro promised. His edit is straight ahead with no complications or depth. Joe UTR2 Joe is a useful spare part in the story. Joe's ep3 content: "That fish tastes like victory..." "We won! We won the reward challenge today! It was awesome. We work very very very well together." Sandy UTR1 Okay, here we can have a lesson in how the same ratings can mean very different things for each character. Sandy was barely there, but when she was, it was with lines that built her character. She's got story and things to do ahead. Sandy's Ep3 content: After winning the RC: "Coach was pissed!...I'm pissed!! (she mockingly imitates him)" . The edit has Sandy echo her own "I'm pissed!" The editor wants us to remember that earlier scene. Episode 1 has not faded from the editor's plans. Her morning-after "sex kitten" comment keeps her OTT status well-tended too. This UTR2 edit is actually an OTT character in holding pattern. Spencer UTR1 On par with Joe's status. Spencer is a useful minor character for now. Spencer's ep3 content: After the RC, Jeff asks Spencer if he's surprised that the two that went to Time-Out Island before are going again: Jeff, "Spencer, does it seem at all surprising..." Spencer, "..not entirely shocked." Spencer's answer is clueless and un-curious. The winner would never have a scene like this. Joe and Spencer are such a matched edit set that they share lines: Joe, "Hey, if we win this next immunity challenge...!" Spencer, "That's it, we're sweepin'!" Two useful, unimportant tools. Stephen UTR2 Stephen's Ep3 content: Stephen opens by narrating the efforts to figure out the throw net. The morning after the RC win: "...and we had the knowledge that Timbiru had a miserable night, so that let us all sleep pretty soundly." He is named as the person Taj plans to bring into the cross-tribal alliance of 4. Given his character/story building up to this ep, this is a holding ep for Stephen. His long-term chances just got a big boost from Taj. Sydney INV1 They might be the dirty-looking tribe, Coach, but Sydney never stops looking like a Breck Girl. Taj CP3 Taj's story is all about her alliance with Brendan. She gives a narrative rundown of her and Brendan's progress toward building a winning alliance while on T-O Island. They discuss their next moves and decide together to bring in one new partner each. Taj, "You work Sierra and I'll work Steve." Brendan, "You're the best accomplice ever! Ever!" Taj laughs loudly and theatrically while lightning crashes. She's all game and the alliance's story is now complex and becoming very real. Timbira Coach (aka, Ben, aka, Doofus New Age Ninja Poser) OTTN5 I agree, he's TV gold for SEG. He will be used and abused until he is snuffed and abandoned. His lines were so outrageously asinine that I didn't even try to write down all that long-winded jackass poop. Well, I wrote one, because it may tell us when he leaves: To Sierra and Debra: "...You people can socialize with people like that...but, I am so 'true' that existing around people that smile evilly, when somebody else is on their knees, kills me! I can't exist around her...!" blah, blah, blah.. Brendan CP4 This episode seemed to rev-up Brendan's story as someone who will get close to the F-2 if not the whole enchilada. He gets equal billing with Taj on the alliance plans and ideas and he is the first character to finally locate an idol. (But it is Taj who gets the SPV praise.) Brendan, "That makes not eating for a couple of days worth it." He gets a long, only slightly pasted together confessional about his attitude toward the game and winning: "Good good good news! It all worked out! You know,the plan worked, which was perfect. /break/ um, as an entrepreneur /break/ when I think about business, like to me it was never about making money and even about Survivor it's not about making money. I love winning games. I love playing games, competing, uh, and winning them. So, as long as you're focused on doing something that you love and you're playing the game the right way, uh, good stuff happens. Keep my fingers crossed." Good lord,what a quote. It almost scares me to even consider his character after last season. Debra UTR2 With her worrying about poor sick Jerry, she almost rates a P. At the RC: Sierra, "Debbie, do we need all three buckets of water?!!" Deb, "I don't know! I can't see it!" Erinn CP4 Bright, observant, and more than a narrator. If she survives to the merge or beyond it will be another testament to the fact that the naked apes triumphed over the rest of the animals because the biggest, baddest muscle is the one between the ears. Some notable Ep3 comments: Timbira's opening scenes: Erinn, "...'cause now I feel like I'm fighting for my life a little bit." At the IC: Sierra, "Come on Erinn!" Jeff, "Erinn is leading her tribe! ...Giving her tribe a big lead!" Pre-TC: Erinn, "You don't wanna be like, 'Hey everybody, Jerry's sick!', but you kinda wanna be like, 'Hey everybody! Jerry's sick!' ...wrestling with all the options about how to bring it up... and I wanna be here, so, see ya, Jerry!" TC: Jeff to Erinn about Coach, "So, you're saying he's a little passive-aggressive? Throwing out an idea, but not owning it?" Erinn, "Uh - huh." I like the featherweight hairdresser. Jerry MORP4 Jerry talked about the 130 degree heat, etc., but I think that the poor hygiene probably got him. It's borderline MORP-OTTP. We'll see how the vote goes. Sierra UTR2 "...I'm not gonna be stupid." A very content-full UTR2! (Compare to Debbie's UTR2 to see how wide a range an edit can be and still be the same rating.) Sierra's Ep3 comments: "...Erinn's kinda panicking..." "Why are we doing this again?! I go, 'Okay, a million dollars, a million dollars." Laughter At the RC: "Debbie, do we need all three buckets of water!?" At the IC: Jeff, "Sierra and Tyson, making up a lot of time for Timbira!" (Sierra shown in isolation and an amplification of her grunting with effort.) Sierra talking with Coach and Debbie about the vote: Sierra, (to Coach, in the background of her own confessional), "...she's (Erinn) still an asset to a certain extent." confessional, "...In the beginning, when they saw me sick and saw me weak, they were going to vote me out, so, as much as I've grown to actually like and be fond of Jerry, I'm not gonna be stupid." She is an observer at TC, but gets this sequence after Jerry is voted off: Why not a shot of Tyson's pondering the non-blindside of Erinn? Why not an isolation of a pleased Erinn? Why cut to Sierra and her sadness at her game decision to not be stupid and to vote someone off who she is fond of? Not that I put any stock in TC camera shots, but there you go. Tyson CPN4 Okay, he's N again. He's a nasty, cruel man who likes to pull the wings off of flies and watch them wiggle around. But, really, should we take seriously his OTT comments about making Erinn cry any more than we should take his comments about wanting to be just like Coach? He's consciously being a clown, a comedian, an entertainer. He told us as much in Ep1. Taken at face value, he's Coach's partner and an evil enemy of Erinn. But, is he really? It's hard to read a really good smart-ass. Gotta not let Tyson take us by surprise. Winner Picks Sierra She's still up there on my list, as much as I worry about it. My biggest worry is here ambivalent "If it's my time, it's my time." stuff. Is that a tip-off that she doesn't have what it takes or is it something to throw us off her trail? And she's not making "stupid" moves. That's good, right? And she's cooled down. Good, right? Stephen He's really gone into holding mode after telling us that he'll play the goofy right-hand man and go far (ep2). He's in what looks to be a legit alliance. Stephen has to be near the top of any possible-winner list. Brendan His Ep1 was pretty weak and he seemed to be playing second-fiddle to Sierra and Taj in ep2. But, his "Why I play the game" speech was pretty impressive. Seems he'll be around for us to second-guess for a long long time. TJ Great launch in ep1, but MOR blah since. For a winner, that's okay. So, he's still in contention. Erinn Not exactly the greatest confessionals in Ep1, but she still was one of the openers. Jumping to CP4 at ep3 after a weak start doesn't look right. She's taking the heat off of Sierra right now. Looks like a possible early distraction story, but not off the list yet. Taj Ep1 was about losing her baby fat. But her eps2 and 3 are all big CP game stories. Probably a decoy winner. She will probably be around long enough to make us queasy with worry. Tyson He got an ep1 opening connection with Erinn. Ep 3, he wants to see her cry. Where's that story going? A real dark horse. Can't read Tyson, so I'm steering clear of a decision. Sandy I don't think she wins. But, be prepared to see her around well after the merge. Unlike other OTT throw-aways, her ep3 UTR1 was consistent with her story from Ep1- segment 1. It reminds me of Courtney's edit. Pretty OTT, pretty outrageous, but tended to for the long- term
fat little fingers		#1127	[-]
Posts: 5887 (03/01/09 11:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	gf: Based on your definition of MOR, I'd have given Sierra an MOR this ep. Ditto, Blake.
unduli clone		#1128	[-]
Posts: 5213 (03/01/09 11:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh dear. Everyone seems to think good things about Brendan's winning chances. I'm going to fight til the death against him having a winning edit. I've already eliminated him and I'll stick by it however long he stays in the game. =D
MultiGeminii		#1129	[-]
Posts: 1545 (03/01/09 11:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Katy Carney wrote: MultiGeminii wrote: Can someone explain why there are so many comments like this? Sierra has shown insight...when? When she said if it was her time to go, it was her time to go? When she said if the tribe wanted to vote her out, so be it? I don't get this, and even less do I get the comments about "if she were a man". I think the opposite. If people didn't think she was cute and "plucky", no way would she even be considered with the way she's been portrayed. I agree she probably makes endgame, but not because she is showing so much insight and complexity. I disagree. I don't like Sierra at all. I don't find her cute or plucky. In fact I think she's a humorless, sour bore with no redeeming qualities in terms of entertainment and she doesn't have a single personality trait that I admire in Survivor players, BUT she is definitely getting a good edit. She's being shoved down our throats. They're trying to make her seem relevant to the happenings around her and they try to make her seem like a gamer even tho she isn't. Her edit, to me, is being manipulated the most of anyone on the show. I don't know if she wins. Could be she's just engaged to a Survivor producer now. But she's definitely getting a good edit and she's one of my top winner picks, sadly. Thanks for replying me. I agree with you about Sierra- the horrible personality and the endgame edit. I just don't find her terribly complex, though I get what you're saying about her edit being tended to to in attempt to make us think she is.
fat little fingers		#1130	[-]
Posts: 5888 (03/01/09 11:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Michael, yikes! Sorry to hear about your house! Divorce settlement or employment or whatever, it's bad. Good luck and take care of yourself.
Warrior		#1131	[-]
Posts: 2822 (03/02/09 8:03 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: I'm doing another quick rewatch before I post my ratings... a reminder to Warrior that a few hours before the show started there was a change from gff and I to make Coach OTTN instead of MORN for Ep2 Ok Blake*, it will show up on tomorrows graph.
LibrasAbandonedChild1		#1132	[-]
Posts: 266 (03/02/09 10:08 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Updated (Final) Ratings JALAPAO Joe - He seemed happy and content with the way camp life was going, but wasn't shown very much. UTR1 J.T. - He was seen as someone who provided for the camp (the fishing scene) which automatically gave him some positive vibes. MORP2 Sandy - We saw very little of Sandy this episode. I'm sure the casual viewer is saying to his or herself "where did that crazy old lady go!?" However, apparently she's a sex kitten. UTR2 Spencer - We saw very little of Spencer, however he wasn't completely invisible like Sydney. UTR1 Stephen -Now being apart of the exile island alliance gave him some face time, but nothing significant. MOR2 Sydney - Was she even shown at all this episode? The only time we heard her was her loud ass screech after the IC. INV1 Taj - Creating and being a part of the exile island alliance has put her on the map as someone to watch out for, but she was not one of the main focuses of the episode. CP3 TIMBIRA Brendan - His exile island alliance with Taj put himself on the map as a power player, but wasn't really a major focal point of the episode. CP3 Coach - He was obviously one of the main characters in the episode, but his arrogance has shown more than ever. OTTN5 Debbie - The only time we really saw Debbie was her screaming during the reward challange. We didn't see anything strategic from her. UTR1 Erinn - Erinn is emerging as an underdog who is really sneaky and shady. Sort of reminiscent of Sugar in Gabon in some ways. While she did score some good points standing up to Coach, especially at tribal council, the whole "evil sneer" charade balanced it out. CPM4 Jerry - You felt sympathy for Jerry because of his illness, and since it was his boot episode, he was shown a lot, but not as much as Candace and Carolina were during their boot episodes. OTTP4 Sierra - We saw Sierra somewhat this episode, but now as much as the first two episodes. However, she was still had a few confessionals. She did also have the first confessional of the episode. MOR2 Tyson - Him being Coach's "general", and the whole "I love seeing people cry when you crush their dreams" quote screamed negative. He was also shown quite a bit this episode, and is emerging as a power player. CPN4
ncassaro		#1133	[-]
Posts: 713 (03/02/09 11:43 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So if Timbira is indeed our complex tribe, they can't lose any more members if they are to reach the pagongable merge number of 6. But I can't see Jalapao losing the next 3 immunities in a row either. I think it's very likely that the tribes go into the merge even at 5/5 each, which makes the four person alliance very powerful and likely to be an endgame alliance IMO.
WTFscissoring8		#1134	[-]
Posts: 814 (03/02/09 12:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ncassaro wrote: So if Timbira is indeed our complex tribe, they can't lose any more members if they are to reach the pagongable merge number of 6. But I can't see Jalapao losing the next 3 immunities in a row either. I think it's very likely that the tribes go into the merge even at 5/5 each, which makes the four person alliance very powerful and likely to be an endgame alliance IMO. i do see the 5/5 split at merge, but i'm very suspicious that once the numbers are down to 7, the secret alliance of 4 smoothly pummels over everyone else to easily advance to F4. because of that, i'm betting some major issues start to arise around the final 9 or 8, where several players are going to have to decide where their loyalties lies and who they want to bring to the endgame. this should make for lots of hurt feelings and fights, so the post-merge should be a fun one. edited to add: i'm loving the interesting discussions in here, still trying to learn this "edgic" stuff. hopefully there won't be an overly obvious winner anytime soon, and if there is, a marcus-style exit would be hilarious. Last Edited By: WTFscissoring8 03/02/09 12:23 PM. Edited 1 times.
Jedijake		#1135	[-]
Posts: 5472 (03/02/09 12:51 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't see Timbira losing any more members before the merge. But if they do, it'll be Erinn, unfortunately.
LibrasAbandonedChild1		#1136	[-]
Posts: 267 (03/02/09 1:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If Timbira does lose an IC before the merge, I can't see anyone else possibly getting the boot except Erinn. However, based on how she's been edited, it appears that Erinn should make the merge. With that said, I don't think Timbira loses an IC before the merge.
ncassaro		#1137	[-]
Posts: 714 (03/02/09 1:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Timbira strikes me as Casaya number 2. Jalapao is more interesting than LaMina was though. If Timbira loses again the council before the merge they could decide to boot a strong dude (Brendan) who could then idol-retaliate.
Kathy Fan 2		#1138	[-]
Posts: 4851 (03/02/09 1:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So in order for Erinn to make the merge, Timbira is going to win the next 4 immunities?
ncassaro		#1139	[-]
Posts: 715 (03/02/09 1:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy Fan 2 wrote: So in order for Erinn to make the merge, Timbira is going to win the next 4 immunities? There are only 3 if they merge at 10. But again I definitely can't see Jalapao losing 3 in a row. I think it'll be 5/5. Just because Erinn is on the outs now doesn't mean she will always be. Look how Sierra and Sandy both improved their positions.
Kitty Pryde1		#1140	[-]
Posts: 8957 (03/02/09 1:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Plus Erinn survived this week and Coach might have pissed people off.

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