Belligerent Ghoul wrote:
A Kenny/Crystal/Bob/Corrine F4 would've been 100x better than the shit we got
As long as Bob didn't win, yes, it would've.
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Belligerent Ghoul wrote: As long as Bob didn't win, yes, it would've. |
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kishuu |
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-Kenny is often criticized for voting out Randy instead of Bob at F8, but it really wasn't a mistake. Randy was a bigger
challenge threat than Bob was at that point, and Bob had been to Exile Island and Randy hadn't, so he didn't have to worry about Randy having the
HII.
I disagree with this. He knew Sugar had the HII. This was a mistake on his part. He gave in to Sugar. Letting Bob slide past this round ruined his game. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Yeah, it did ruin his game, but that was only because Sugar turned into a self-righteous hypocrite who decided to turn on people based on whether they're
good people or not. It wasn't supposed to ruin his game, but it did because of that freak turn of events.
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SurvivorFanGP |
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Ken <3 <3 <3 one of my all-time favorites.
He really did play a great game, but he (IMO) could have avoided the Sugar situation all together if he and Crystal didn't split their votes, thus Crystal/Matty probably wouldn't have had an arguement that led to Sugar flipping on them. But yeah, I guess in hindsight, there was no way of knowing that Sugar would flip. I think even if they voted out Matty at F7 though, there's a good chance the Bob/Susie/Sugar F3 would've ended up happening either way. 6th - Probably Corinne? Think Sugar would've still wanted her out. 5th - if Bob wins immunity again, like he did in the show, then probably Crystal. Bob/Sugar/Susie vote Crystal? Then at F4...Sugar could still very well still make a tie with Bob, and he'd (likely?) win the tiebreaker. *Random spec* x_x |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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JackSparrowBauer wrote:He already saw Sugar turn on Ace for no good strategic reason. It's not unreasonable to assume she might do the same to him. She was a wildcard and a better player would not have never let his fate rest on her shoulders. |
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ncassaro |
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JackSparrowBauer wrote:I honestly believe that Guatemala is the reason she doesn't get more credit here. Her game in Palau was terrific. She was just unlucky and ended up on the wrong tribe. But Guatemala, even though she placed better, was a disaster. Letting Rafe whisper in her ear was such a big mistake. Seriously, why did you not wanna bring Lydia to F3? Why did you take Judd and Jamie out? Those were the only people who made the merge that she could've beaten and she had a huge role in voting all three out. |
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ncassaro |
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JackSparrowBauer wrote: OMG ew. She is SO overrated on Sucks. There is a reason that she was originally in the majority and ended up in the minority on Casaya. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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SurvivorFanGP wrote: Had he and Crystal not split their votes, he probably would've avoided that Sugar thing, but like I said, he had no way of seeing that coming, nor did anyone else. They weren't even being that mean to Matty, and he had just voted for Crystal a few TC's back, so Matty was being a hypocrite, too. I think Kenny probably would've won that F4 IC. If he made the Final 3 he probably would've won. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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GnarlsInCharge wrote: No, he set Sugar and Ace up so it looked like Ace was trying to use Sugar. He made Sugar doubt Ace, so she turned on him. That's not "no good strategic reason". |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Danielle never ended up in the minority on Casaya. In Shane's mind she was in the minority after the merge, but she had secret Final 3 alliances with both
Cirie/Bruce and Aras/Cirie. Anyway, Casaya was one of the biggest trainwreck tribes ever so pretty much everyone flipped from the majority to the minority at
some point or another just because of how much of a disaster that tribe was.
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Thailandsurvivor |
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Ken voting for Matty at the final 7 affected NOTHING except the jury's attitude towards Ken. He did it to gain jury votes, that was it. Sugar and Crystal
both said it was ok, and they were fine with him doing it. Sugar didn't give a shit the next episode when Matty bitched and complained (In fact, she agreed
with him that he was leaving next). That is, of course, until she changed her mind for no reason.
For anyone that says Sugar is known to be an unpredictable player, and Ken should have known that from her betrayal of Ace, you are wrong. Sugar knew she had to vote for Ace sooner or later if she wanted to not look like she was being dragged through the game. Also, Ken played perfectly in getting her on his side by predicting exactly what Ace was going to do (most noticeably with the idol). Ace didn't leave because of Sugar, Ace left because of great gameplay on Ken's part, even after he was backed into a corner because of Matty's stupidity. (Matty, in the majority, willingly chose to backstab three former allies to work with two people who were in desperation. For all Matty knew, Ace and Sugar could have jumped back to Kota at the merge, leaving him as a sitting duck.) Sugar was playing a good strategic game (social is completely different), and Ken had no reason to think that she wasn't playing to try to win. She also told Ken (and stated on insider clips) that she had every intention of going to the final three with Crystal and Ken. They thought she was loyal, plus, Ken knew that the only way Sugar had a chance to win was to face Crystal and Susie in the finals, and there was no reason to keep Bob or Matty, again, if she wanted to win. Only two players in the history of Survivor have made such ridiculous and impulsive decisions that would be a huge detriment to their game, Dreamz and Sugar. No one expected her to join Bob, not even Bob. Ken played a great game. 16th best in Survivor history? I think that's pushing it, but he had every reason to be cocky. And besides, it's not like he was as cocky as he was when talking to others. He knew he was by himself, and he could say his inner most thoughts. He thought he was going to win Gabon, and he was in the position to do so. Sure, Gillian targeted him second, but he was in no danger on Fang. Even if the Randy, Dan, Susie, and Matty alliance came to fruition and took control (which I doubt it would have because Crystal was close with Susie and Ken was close with Matty), Ken was the last person Randy wanted to target. Also, no matter what Probst says in the "Last Time on Survivor" segments, Fang was the stronger tribe. They had 4 guys and Crystal, with Susie as their only form of dead weight. Kota had 3 girls. Fang just won two straight challenges, and got the raw deal of a very early swap. Also, Ken made a great move picking Kelly to join his tribe, and he managed to work past the awful luck he had (GC quitting, Sugar having the idol, Matty turning on him, Crystal getting mad at Kelly). Still, he had Matty protecting him in his alliance with Ace, and no one was wanting him gone. Post second swap, Crystal and he brought in Susie due to the awful way Kota treated her. I give more credit to Crystal for this, but it was a team effort. At the merge, Ken made sure the five of them were strong, and he was the one that decided Charlie would leave. The scrawny little Asian kid was making the decisions. It may have been smarter to vote for Bob at the final 8, but he is an old man. They couldn't have considered him a challenge threat, and he already forced Sugar to keep Randy the round before. Had Randy stayed, Sugar would have had a legitimate reason to turn on Ken, for not listening to her. At the final 7, he did not believe Bob had a real idol, and post game interviews have shown that. Since his allies were happy with him voting for Matty, he made a great decision to get jury votes. He knew Kota would control who wins. Also, even if Matty (and maybe even Susie) was mad, Bob and Sugar were close enough that they had majority. Bob doesn't win immunity, and it's not an issue. He leaves unanimously, and Sugar, Ken, and Crystal walk to the final 3 due to the terrible format of the final three twist. The only thing I had a problem with Ken's gameplay was his attitude at the final 5. I don't care how safe you feel, you never take a nap right before tribal council. He should have talked to Matty and Susie and tried to get them to vote for Sugar. But he played a great game. Anyone who says differently might want to rewatch Gabon. Would I put him above Ami? Hell no, and I hated her. (Dreamz, Cassandra, and Danielle are different stories.) He deserves much more respect. You don't have to like Ken to appreciate how he played. |
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survivorisdabest |
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Ken was probably the best player in gabon and was onn of my favourites for the first half of the season then he turned into a vile little brat who needs to die
in a fire. He is also incredibly bitter post-game so *incredible ken dissapointment*
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JackSparrowBauer |
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What, was he bitter in his post-show interviews or something? Because he said at the reunion that he lost because he got cocky and he really owned up to it. I
guess I'm missing it because I don't read interviews
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survivorisdabest |
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I think he just said what would go over best with the fans at the reunion but he still runs off bitching furiously about the F3 to anyone who will listen on
FACEBOOK CHAT (O_O wtf). also interviews were kind of bitter too.
i agree with the writeup though, he played a great game and was doing the best out of everyone for atleast half the game. |
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survivorisdabest |
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I think he just said what would go over best with the fans at the reunion but he still runs off bitching furiously about the F3 to anyone who will listen on
FACEBOOK CHAT (O_O wtf). also interviews were kind of bitter too.
i agree with the writeup though, he played a great game and was doing the best out of everyone for atleast half the game. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Well I don't blame him. That Final 3 was by far the worst ever.
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FarnsworthFan |
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To be fair, I rant about the f3 on Facebook chat to anyone who will listen as well so Ken is less bitter then I am.
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Man, I can't believe I actually missed this entry...aww. And yeah, TS summed it up again.
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WylDawg |
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My thoughts:
Earl: Pretty much the most well-rounded person to ever play this game. Yes he's clearly outmatched by bigger Survivor names like hatch, Heidik etc. But unlike them, he strikes me as the kind of guy who would do well in any season. Stephenie: She survived an entire tribal massacre, props for that but that's about it. Cassandra: Actually did play a decent game, but just like Katie and Becky before her, teaming up with a golden boy was never getting her the win. Dreamz: WTF!? I don't think he knew what he was doing half the time out there. I'm actually shocked that so many people trusted him. So yeah, he had a little bit of idiot savant in his game but was rightfully shreaded to pieces by the jury. Tina: I'm sure if she was 20 years younger and had a bitchy personality, Tina would be every Suckster's all-time favorite castaway and considered the best player ever. I didn't like her much but truth is she really is one of the best to ever play this game. There was a pyramid scheme in the Outback and she was on top of it. Now if you wanna play the "She wouldn't have won if it weren't for Mike's accident or Jeff's prior votes etc." fine, but you can do that with every other winner as well. I think I must've said it a million times but obviously some people are still not getting it: Luck is a crucial part of this game, but wether you capitalize on it or not is what makes you a good or lousy player. Colby: Pretty much co-owned Outback alongside Tina, had he kicked her out in the final vote, he would be a Survivor legend in terms of gameplay, but that one move forever tainted his reputation. Kenny: A couple of good key moves, but dude was way too up is own ass and it rightfully cost him the game. Like my brother once told me, Survivor nerds who do actually get into a power position are bound to be killed by their own ego trip because it's the first and only time in their lives where they feel like somebody. Danielle: I'm really dumbfounded by this new wave of Danielle fans who subsequently make a case that she was a great player. You can spin it all you want, fact is Danielle was hated by almost the entire cast. It doesn't matter what she did or didn't do, practically nobody respected her. She had one good friend who would've made a great goat for her and she stabbed her in the back. Her game was over right then and there. I still think her being on next season is a psychotic joke. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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I'm really sick of people criticizing Danielle for voting out Courtney because there was no way she would even get to the Final 2 if she voted her out.
That would've been aligning with Terry and Shane, and neither of them would ever have taken her anywhere over Courtney, and Shane wanted Danielle gone,
too. She got screwed by Bruce's evacuation because he was undyingly loyal to her, but she almost won anyway, because there was no way of telling who
would've gotten Austin and Sally's votes between her and Aras. She also completely pwnt Terry on several occasions. I'm clueless as to why
she's coming back, too, but whatever I'm glad she is. She's a better choice than Courtney, Parv and Amanda anyway.
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