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Wild Jazie |
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Thank you'al for the great PBP~!
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Ramona Balboa |
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I think it must be acknowledged that JT played Stephen too. Stephen didn't feel that he could actually do a full out attack on JT, his friend who he might
wound with his hang dog routine. He couldn't say, I was the strategist, he was the brawn, I was the brains. He was afraid of losing friendship.
No wonder JT's mother kept saying to him that he was made for Survivor. |
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CFmomma |
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I'm pretty happy with the result. The only fly in the oinment is Taj getting the boot at F4. I thought that was largely unnecessary. Let me add my thanks
to our intrepid play by players. Kudos and salutations. Great job as always.
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they say |
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Thanks to Trixie and Ramona for the PBP this season, as always.
Jeff Probst was actually right about this season. It was really good and I was happy with the winner. Yeah, I guess Stephan had to go for it at the FTC, but it really seemed to backfire on him. Long off-season (ugh). Fun season on the boards, see everybody later for Samoa. |
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rower |
Finale - Play by Play/Post Show Analysis and PARTAYYY!!! | ||
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Great Season - I must say I could've lived with a JT/Taj or Stephen win.
Final thoughts: Stephen lost the game in the last three days... by his actions, beginning with the Taj boot. When Debbi, not Erinn, asked Stephen about who his final two choice would be between Erinn and JT a red flag went up for me. (I actually believe that Sierra was planning to ask the same question of Stephen but didn't because Debbi had already asked it.) This told me that Erinn, in her short time on the Ponderosa, had told the jury about her and Stephens deal. It also meant that she had probably told the jury that it was she and Stephen who had convinced JT that Taj was a bigger threat. When Stephen admitted that he was probably going to take Erinn, not JT to the final two, it gave Erinn's claim at the Ponderosa credibility. That gave her Taj boot story credibility as well. Then when Stephen tried to throw JT under the bus on the Taj boot, the jury wasn't buying because they had Erinn's side of the story. Had Stephen kept to the final three plan of Taj/himself and JT, he may have gotten a few votes although I believe that JT still would have won. Instead it showed Stephen trying to throw his two closest allies to the wolves. Any other season this behavior may have been rewarded however this jury seemed a bit different. Loyality meant a lot to them and they rewarded JT. And contrary to Orange's theory about it being an anit-sematic vote, well I'm not buying it. (You know Orange, everything that goes on in this world does not revolve around anit-sematism... I think your love for Stephen and Stephen's game (which I thought was brilliant) is clouding your analysis. Finally, Coach's "lie-detector" test. Lie detector tests only work when the questions aren't planned by the person being tested. Credibility in the test stems from the fact that the person being tested doesn't know the questions or the order they are going to be presented. The person being tested can have an idea about what they are going to be asked but the phrasing of the question must come from the questioner. Obviously, from the first question that JP read, Coach typed the script for the test. Another fraud perpetrated by Coach. Sigh, he will never learn. |
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Sam Buru |
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Within ten minutes anyone can be trained to defeat the lie detector test ... Not saying coach did anything, but the test isn't admissable in court for a
reason.
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Modesty |
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Sammy, willsucks made this scoop last night: http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/51630
The polygraph-guy that Coach consulted has been convicted for fraud! |
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dagny1331 |
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I am very happy with JT's win, though I would have been happy with Taj winning, and Stephen, too, but less so due to how he ended the game. I don't
understand how they saw Taj as an immunity challenge threat; I could understand them seeing her as someone they did not want to face at F2. I could also
understand if they felt it would be emotionally harder to vote her out at F3 than at F4. Still, they should have taken Taj to F3. I would have liked that
full circle feeling.
I do think JT would have had a harder time beating Erin at F2. If he came to that conclusion and isn't saying, kudos to him. |
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erickman |
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rule no 1 of survivor never let a good ole boy get to f2, guy catches fish good at challanges cool to hang out with. now step can say he was the best player to
get to f2 an get no votes.
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erickman |
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Schadenfreude wrote: roach is crazy when you are crazy you can pass lie dictecters becouse you belive what you say |
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ratsnsnakes |
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If anyone from this cast is invited back I'd vote for Stephen.Me too, Croc. I'll go further and say if they spend one more minute of my tv time on Delusional Douche Wade, I won't watch. I was really pissed off at the amount of airtime he got on the finale, and talking to his "special lady" was just EWWWW. I was afraid we would not have any time with the other contestants at all. I wouldn't mind seeing Tyson and Sierra again, actually. I'd kind of like to see them without the taint of Coach. |
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Coachocd |
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Ramona Balboa wrote:I agree. But, friendship/shmendship. These two people are basically strangers who happened to play a game for 39 days. There is a reason why some of the most celebrated winners in the game have reptilian personalities. ------------ Tina spoke of how people underestimated her because she had a Southern accent. Perhaps Stephen underestimated J.T. Perhaps others underestimated J.T. too, not thinking he was as smart as he was. Stephen was more overtly strategizing, but I think J.T. was a huge strategist too, and hid behind his southern charm. |
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Coachocd |
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crocophile wrote: I agree. I want to see Stephen back. Unfortunately, JP still seems to think Roach is a great character everyone would want to see again. If there is an All Star 3 and anyone gets invited back, it would be Roach. Yuck! No more please. |
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Tubolar |
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I think Stephen wanted to vote out Taj instead of Erinn for two reasons. First because despite what he told JT, he really thought Erinn had
a better chance at winning final immunity than Taj, especially if it involved a puzzle. Erinn winning final immunity would have been a good thing for Stephen since she would have taken him. Secondly, he thought the jury liked Taj better than Erinn. I tbelieve this was a mistake though as soon as I saw Sierra and Debbie high fiving when Taj was voted out. If Erinn had been in the final two, I believe at least some of her tribemates would have voted for her due to the humiliation of losing a 6-3 advantage. |
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trinity17888 |
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Orangeena wrote: He wasn't even in the top 3 Fan Favourite. America never goes for the cerebral player. |
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rower |
Finale - Play by Play/Post Show Analysis and PARTAYYY!!! | ||
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Good assessment Tubolar. I think you are correct as it is entirely credible and it is more than likely that Erinn and Stephen talked about it this exact
issue. When Erinn got to the Ponderosa, this was probably included in the conversation that she had with the jury members about the decision Stephen made to
vote out Taj. From what I saw, it was Stephen who told JT that Taj was the big immunity threat after apparently drinking Coach kool-aid.
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Coachocd |
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trinity17888 wrote:That has to be the case with Ozzy and James having been in the top three for fan favorite in Micronesia. Neither are particularly good players at the game. In particular Ozzy was treated like a leader when he's really just a one trick pony in the game. America has an anti-intellectual bias generally. It starts with childhood when the most "popular" kids in school aren't the ones who excel, apply themselves and do their homework. The most "popular" kids tend to be popular for reasons that have nothing to do with being at school. In fact, excelling at school is a surefire route to unpopularity. I also don't bother with the "People's Choice Awards". Top 40 radio is littered with records that require little musical talent, whereas the forms of music that require the most skill and proficiency, such as classical and jazz are the ones that are the least popular and sell the fewest records by genre. That said, I do think a cerebral player can win the game itself. They just need to be able to articulate themselves to a jury HOW they did it.
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erickman |
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Coachocd wrote: yep thinking about it jt played the most like tina instead of the poor ole country gal he was the good ole boy. |
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sunflower101 |
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Coachocd wrote:Stephen didn't think he could beat JT or Taj. JT just never lost immunity so he never had the chance to vote him out.
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getting real |
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Orangeena said:
And JT did outplay Stephen at tribal...He put on that wounded puppy look...Heart-breaking...and then said at the reuninon "I was playing for votes!" Lololol.. I think when we talk about the jury generically, as if they were a monolith, we overlook at the importance of treating each juror as a different entity. For example, Erinn has said in her interviews that Stephen had her vote if he'd revealed his moves and he failed to do so. However, JT said that, in a question they didn't show, Tyson asked Stephen for examples of moves that he made by himself. When Stephen informed him that he'd been responsible for Tyson's own ouster, Tyson apparently was so wounded he voted aginst him. Two entirely different approaches to two different jurors which apparently had the reverse outcome from that which was intended. That is why the greatest jury performances have been by those who were suffciently flexible and sufficiently aware to push each juror's buttons differently. I rate Todd's and Chris' the highest of all in that regard. |
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