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So, females should always make all girl alliances going forward?
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So, females should always make all girl alliances going forward? |
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Posts: 11374 (05/17/09 09:11 PM) Registered User |
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unduli clone |
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Posts: 5727 (05/17/09 09:15 PM) Registered User |
Absolutely. Only three of the seven female winners have beaten a man in the finals (Tina, Jenna, Amber), and only four of the seven female winners have won a game that didn't involve returning players (unless you count the Outcast twist as returning players, in which case only three of the seven females have won a game of all strangers for the full run). Females can only beat females anymore, and it's because the jury is dominated by men and the women who appreciate men. "Weak" women or the men/women who go against the patriarchal system of men=strong are all picked off pre-merge, leaving a jury that is skewed toward calling men the deserving ones. |
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Posts: 7983 (05/17/09 09:18 PM) Registered user |
No, I think that females should just be more proactive. Grab the game by the balls, you know? And I can't stress enough that you should openly argue with
the jury.
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Posts: 6081 (05/17/09 09:20 PM) |
unduli clone wrote: MMMMHMMMMM. |
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The Marquesan Godfather |
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Posts: 11376 (05/17/09 09:21 PM) Registered User |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: And end up like Twila, huh? |
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Shalomo |
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Posts: 412 (05/17/09 09:22 PM) |
I would love if something like Vanuatu happened again, except the man loses.
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Posts: 7984 (05/17/09 09:30 PM) Registered user |
The Marquesan Godfather wrote: Twila didn't go far enough, and she didn't argue or debate as much as antagonize the jury. Women in the game are usually too submissive. If I were in their postion, I would do all I could to de-ball the premises that led them there in the first place. Ever since All Stars people have been brainwashed into thinking you have to appease the jury to have a shot at winning, which isn't true at all. There will always be misogynists or those who put too much emphasis on brute strength, but noone will listen if a stand isn't taken. |
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unduli clone |
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Posts: 5732 (05/17/09 09:34 PM) Registered User |
Katy Carney wrote:Hey Katy! <3 |
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Posts: 463 (05/17/09 09:37 PM) |
You don't have to play a game of brute strength to win, but the invisible Darrah strategy isn't going to cut it anymore either.
Just own your game like Parvati did. Jury respects strategy. You can't get to the final 2 and pull a Katie "I coasted well for 39 days" and expect to win. You have to do SOMETHING noteworthy to gain their respect. |
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Posts: 1645 (05/17/09 09:39 PM) Registered user |
Katy Carney wrote:the juries are either lean towards rewarding the one who had the most integrity or the one who had the most strategically smart gameplay. on the rare occasion they are incredibly bitter or meh at the two finalists, it comes down to whoever's more likeable. integrity rewarding based juries: tocantins, gabon, fiji, vanuatu strategically rewarding juries: micronesia, china, cook islands "lesser of two evils" type juries: all stars, guatemala, exile island |
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Posts: 4639 (05/17/09 09:51 PM) |
The Marquesan Godfather wrote:Colby took Tina. Amber beat Rob even though it was an anti-Rob vote. |
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Posts: 6082 (05/17/09 10:24 PM) |
unduli <33
People cite Parvati but the only reason she won is because there were so many women on that jury. Amanda got three of the four male jury votes. Men do not vote for women that play hard. They either vote for the perceived nicer woman or they vote against the person they're sitting next to. A woman is a thousand times less likely to win based on gameplay. As far as female finalists not "owning it", that is another part of gender politics. Girls as a general rule are taught to be humble and pleasant. It's a much different thing for a guy to be openly proud of beating other people than it is for a woman to, and women are much more likely to lose based on their personalities than a man is. *burns bra* |
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craig |
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Posts: 15654 (05/17/09 10:26 PM) Registered User |
Nerds like Stephen should allign mainly with girls too.
Worked for Todd and Yul. Almost worked for Rafe. Stephen ended up like Katie, unable to stop the popular challenge whore. |
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Posts: 7857 (05/17/09 11:39 PM) Registered user |
craig wrote:The ending to this season is EXACTLY why Parvati and Cirie torpedoed the couples alliance. |
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Posts: 2459 (05/17/09 11:59 PM) Registered user |
I'm reminded of Cassandra's final Tribal Council performance. For one, only four of the nine Jury members even addressed her, and two of them were
women. Lisi bullied her about being greedy (even though Dreamz was, if anything, defined by his greediness). Alex
bullied her about lying and being manipulative (even though he had done more than his fair share of that, and had failed where Cassandra succeeded). Rocky
disregarded her answer about having a "behind the scenes" strategy, even though that was the best strategy she could use as the season's resident
"older woman." And Michelle disregarded her answer about overcoming obstacles (similar to how Brendan did with Stephen in the Tocantins Jury),
because apparantly working hard to achieve growth isn't as cool as having natural ability.
In all of those situations, Cassandra barely fought back. She just sat and smiled politely, to people like Lisi and Rocky of all people. Whereas Dreamz, while much more hated, had more of an ability to fight back. (I still think his "What is wrong with you?" line to Lisi is one of the most under-appreciated Survivor quotes ever). |
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Posts: 4644 (05/18/09 12:07 AM) |
craig wrote:Did Probst seem a bit biased in his question about why JT would be friends with Stephen? Maybe I am reading Probst completely wrong. Not the question about them being friends, but the way that Probst's reaction to JT holding Stephen in fairly high regard. It came off the same way to me how Probst was shocked that Taj was so popular. Not that people shouldn't be surprised by the Stephen/JT friendship but more how Probst viewed it. |
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Posts: 2461 (05/18/09 12:10 AM) Registered user |
I was baffled as to why Probst couldn't see why Taj was popular. Granted, she became quite invisible later on,
but in the pre-merge she was shaping up to be another Cirie.
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Posts: 4645 (05/18/09 12:34 AM) |
Of course Sierra was pretty biased herself in the jury questions and she is a female that wouldn't get any credit if she were sitting next to a JT. Just
because JT is an alpha male he has to be aligned with other alpha males?She asked JT why he took the weak players to the end? What reason would JT have to
trust Brendan or Tyson over Taj/Stephen? It would have been completely moronic for JT to do that. Why would JT trust someone from original Timbra over other
people he had been aligned with longer?
I think Probst thought Taj was a coattail. I hate coattail riders and Taj certainly was not a coattail rider.Maybe I am reading way too much into this. It just seemed like Probst was somewhat disappointed that JT didn't have a bromance with Joe, Tyson, or Brendan rather then Stephen. Is a better way to explain what I was thinking.
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Posts: 1602 (05/18/09 10:15 AM) |
Well the females in S17 and S18 weren't that strategic and smart enough to outlast the guys. Like Debbie she had a lot of strategies that never come in
play and Taj just relied on JT/Stephen how would someone win like that. And Sugar just being the swing vote and not really being the mastermind.
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Posts: 1603 (05/18/09 10:21 AM) |
PrettyGoodYear1988 wrote: Yeah she, Brendan, Tyson, Stephen were really like the center of the show pre-merge. So I'm a bit suprise JT won but he had that "hero" edit in the challenges And then after the merge it was more of Coach, Sierra, Jt, Stephen and Taj was just oh somewhere. |
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Posts: 6902 (05/18/09 10:35 AM) |
JLK Name wrote: I wouldn't bash the female cast too much here. Sierra was a moron, but there were some good players this season. If Sierra was not a dumbass and Timbira was willing to join up together at the final 7, Debbie would be considered one of the best Erinn had a good grasp on the game as shown by how she saw her position on Timbira and flipped to better her position. Also, I don't care what JT and Stephen's reasons were, but her being saved at the final 4 was something very few players could accomplish. It reminded me of Fairplay surviving at the final 4. While not anywhere near as great since Erinn was still Taj's target, I don't think anyone saw her making the final three without winning immunity. Taj was doing pretty well for herself, but Stephen ended up siding with JT over her. Seeing how close the two of them were pre merge, I don't think Taj ever expected it. She had a great social game, and she knew how to align herself with others and make moves to advance herself. The Exile alliance flopped, but she had people wanting to protect her. Her biggest mistake was not talking to Erinn at the final 4 to force a tie against Stephen, but I can't hold that against her because the two of them were extremely close. |
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