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XtremeInnovator420		#101	[-]
Posts: 1545 (05/24/09 12:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Whether or not Aras would've won against Cirie, isn't it fact that he wanted to face her in the F2 so he could lose to her? And doesn't that kind of negate the point?
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#102	[-]
Posts: 8051 (05/24/09 12:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	We don't know what he meant by that. Lots of people(Tocantins is a good example) for some reason are ashamed of their game play. Ara's' game doesn't suggest that he planned to take Cirie all the way to the finals and lose to her, unlike Sugar of Gabon who obviously planned to lose. There is a prejudice around these parts(As well as among casual viewers) that Survivor fans must inherently be better players than non fans.
XtremeInnovator420		#103	[-]
Posts: 1549 (05/24/09 12:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	For what it's worth, I don't think people are going to doubt that say...Earl's game was better overall than Randy's, or that Erinn played better than John Paylok. Just examples.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#104	[-]
Posts: 8053 (05/24/09 12:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	XtremeInnovator420 wrote: For what it's worth, I don't think people are going to doubt that say...Earl's game was better overall than Randy's, or that Erinn played better than John Paylok. Just examples. You'd be suprised, especially concerning older members of the board.
XtremeInnovator420		#105	[-]
Posts: 1550 (05/24/09 1:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, since this IS Sucks...little surprises me here anymore.
craig		#106	[-]
Posts: 15725 (05/24/09 6:13 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Aras taking Cirie could be like JT taking Stephen - risky but still winnable. We know Cirie\Stephen were more strategic, but Aras was perceived as a nice guy and the leader. Cirie had a great personal growth story like Stephen (from coach potatao to surviving), but probably not enough to overcome that jury's partiality to the penis, Quite Likely: Aras - Austin, Courtney, Shane, Terry* Cirie - Sally, Bruce, Danielle * assuming he doesn't vote bitter when Aras boots him at F3 Cirie may have flipped a vote and won. But just remember, if Stephen left at F3 we'd be forever assuming that his speaking skills could have won it for him against JT.
CSCin3D		#107	[-]
Posts: 12022 (05/24/09 6:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	But Aras was nowhere near as charismatic as JT, nor did he have a sob story like JT. Cirie would have won at LEAST 5-2 with Austin, Sally, Terry, Bruce and Danielle. And Hatch, let's see this mysterious "confirmation" from Shane . Last Edited By: CSCin3D 05/24/09 6:44 PM. Edited 1 times.
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#108	[-]
Posts: 8063 (05/24/09 6:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CSCin3D wrote: But Aras was nowhere near as charismatic as JT, nor did he have a sob story like JT. Cirie would have won at LEAST 5-2 with Austin, Sally, Terry, Sally and Danielle. And Hatch, let's see this mysterious "confirmation" from Shane . http://survivorsucks.com/topic/39357?page=4 Post 62
CSCin3D		#109	[-]
Posts: 12026 (05/24/09 6:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And Shane's vote somehow decides the game...?
Dr Will Hatch two point oh		#110	[-]
Posts: 8064 (05/24/09 6:50 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well, I suppose that Terry could have voted for Cirie, but it seems unlikely. I guess we'll never know for sure, but I think Terry may have been a bit of a chauvinist in the same vein that Ben on Tocantins is. And I agree with you, I would rather see someone with kids take the money than someone like Aras who probably wouldn't need it as much. I say that as one of Aras' biggest supporters( lol).
craig		#111	[-]
Posts: 15726 (05/24/09 6:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sally can't vote twice. Austin was an early juror who barely saw Cirie in action, but bonded with Aras on the Yonng Man's tribe. If two days of exile hell with Danielle wasn't enough for him to vote for her over Aras, Cirie had no chance. When Shane posted here last fall he seemed bitter towards Cirie - planned to vote her out early on FvF if he'd been cast. He was pissed at both Aras and Cirie for "betraying" him, and pretty misogynist towards women in general. Coach > Shane Terry is the real mystery. Did he vote out of respect for Aras or bitterness at Danielle? Did giving Cirie the family vist over Aras mean he favoured her? Or was that analogous to JT and Coach handing Taj the family item in the auction, because in meant a lot to her. That didn't imply alligiance or respect for her game.
CSCin3D		#112	[-]
Posts: 12027 (05/24/09 6:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Sally can't vote twice. Austin was an early juror who barely saw Cirie in action, but bonded with Aras on the Yonng Man's tribe. If two days of exile hell with Danielle wasn't enough for him to vote for her over Aras, Cirie had no chance. When Shane posted here last fall he seemed bitter towards Cirie - planned to vote her out early on FvF if he'd been cast. He was pissed at both Aras and Cirie for "betraying" him, and pretty misogynist towards women in general. Coach > Shane Terry is the real mystery. Did he vote out of respect for Aras or bitterness at Danielle? Did giving Cirie the family vist over Aras mean he favoured her? Or was that analogous to JT and Coach handing Taj the family item in the auction, because in meant a lot to her. That didn't imply alligiance or respect for her game. I meant Bruce instead of Sally. First of all, Austin only was with Aras for 3 days. Second of all, Austin is a good Christian and I believe that after Aras' spiel about freeloading off his father compared to Cirie and her family, there's no way he'd vote for Aras. Shane sucks. Terry is very family oriented, so again, I can't see him voting for Aras. And that's not even taking Courtney into consideration, who also might have voted for Cirie, especially if she didn't want to be seen as bitter.
YemaGrl1988		#113	[-]
Posts: 5841 (05/24/09 7:23 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Terry would vote for Cirie for the same reasons that Cirie got to see her husband in Exile Island. He believes someone with a family deserves it more.
WylDawg		#114	[-]
Posts: 18261 (05/24/09 8:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Terry would vote for Aras in a Cirie/Aras final 2. I know for a fact.
craig		#115	[-]
Posts: 15727 (05/25/09 5:54 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Who are all these strawmen you keep speaking for, and where did you get the idea that anybody who was the least bit impressed with JT's gameplay had to be a Fang fan or shat on Bob or Tom? I have no issues with Tom advocates like Wyldawg also admiring JT's game, because that seems sensible and consistent.. The position I'm arguing against that embodied in CR's winner rankings (although it isn't too widekly shared). Strategy ... 1. J.T. - Played as close to a flawless game as you can get. True, he had a lot of help from Timbira, but who knows what he would have been able to do in a situation where he had a rational tribe? He made the most of his situation. The biggest strategic flaws he had were minor compared to some other winners (knocking out Erinn in the coconut chop challenge, taking Stephen on the reward). He had it all; social, strategic, physical. His social game was probably the strongest out of any survivor ever. 10. Todd - He is another that played a great first half, but by the end he seemed oblivious to the fact that Amanda and Denise were running through other options. 14. Tom - There was nothing all that impressive. He put an enormous target on himself, didn't have to play until the merge, where he didn't even have much power. 16. Bob - He road coattails to the max for most of the game, but at least when he needed to pick it up, he did a bit. Even though Sugar played the game for him. 18. Aras - Just clueless all around. If Aras and Cirie were running the opposing tribe, they'd have made JT look as ineffective strategically as Terry. And is Coach and Brendan were misleading Casaya, they'd have handed "noble warrior" Terry the game and made him like brilliant.
chapera rocks		#116	[-]
Posts: 11235 (05/25/09 6:58 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They're two different seasons, and you can't say what Aras and Cirie would have done to JT. And Terry didn't have a strategic mind. That much is evident in the way he (1) handled the idol and (2) just watch the merger episode. He didn't understand or try to understand the Casaya dynamics, he just jumped right in right away, offering members of Casaya #5 and 6. And the pairs he was offering them to was random ... Cirie and Bruce? Bruce and Courtney? Aras and whoever else he said? He couldn't effectively use the idol, and he thought bullying Casaya was an effective tool to get them to flip over. Tom never understood what was going on around him and was shocked to find out when he did ... not realizing this is survivor and people are going to try and take out the strongest. He didn't have the inroads in Koror like JT had at Jalapao. Tom was great physically and socially, JT was great strategically, great physically, and better socially. Last Edited By: chapera rocks 05/25/09 7:00 AM. Edited 1 times.

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