Worst Winner in BB History?

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Polyester Bear		#161	[-]
Posts: 42 (09/25/07 3:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Will Jun Maggie Boogie Drew Dick Lisa this list cannot be argued with.
hardball 7		#162	[-]
Posts: 56 (09/25/07 3:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Has Maggie ever admitted that she was fucking with the other members of the friendships? If yes, then she's the second best, if not best, winner ever. If not, she is A LOT further down.
The SovereignOne		#163	[-]
Posts: 326 (09/25/07 4:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	im basing this off of strategic merit, and in terms of strategy ppl, as much as it pains many of us, maggie is only 2nd to the fair doctor. she may have been the entertainment equivalant to something so sarcastic i cant even think of it, but she played a phenomenal game and deserved to win. IMO pretty much every winner except for one played pretty good to great games. in paticular lisa's game is very under-rated and jun's game is extremley over-rated (really didnt do anything in terms of strategy, alison took care of that for her, which is ofcourse smart in its own way). dick and boogie both played very well, and boogie gets bonus points for co-taking out such a tough field. drew is without a doubt the worst winner to grace BB, and with that said i picked him to win from day 1.... the list (season 1 excluded) 7 - Drew 6 - Lisa 5 - Jun 4 - Dick 3 - Boogie 2 - Maggie 1 - Will
In Your Dreamz		#164	[-]
Posts: 111 (09/25/07 4:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pleeze. dick is clearly the worst winner since he got saved by an ap twist he had no real control over. all the other winners didn't need producer interference
Scinovium		#165	[-]
Posts: 55 (09/25/07 5:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Tough choices. Jun (Didn't watch that season) 6. Dick: did everything wrong, and in any other season would'nt have made it to F2. Since week 3, his game fell apart. It failed on a strategic level, and a social level. He was playing for 2nd place. Unlike Will's tactic, Dick didn't even use the if you take me to the final 2 you'll win strategy, so all those rants were mainly to gain an advantage for the POV/HOHs, which was only effective against Kail. Worst game play I've ever seen on BB. There wasn't a week where he didn't do something dumb strategically. Week 3 (Dick HOH): Told Kail during his HOH that Kail was going home, hoping to rattle her. But when Mike was voted out, Kail actually believe that house was behind her. Dick tried to tell her that he was the reason that she stayed, which she thought was bullshit even though it wasn't. I still don't understand the thought behind that stupid move. Week 4 (Dustin HOH): Had Nick nominated and evicted. Then tried to undo his mistake by trying to convince LNC to keep Nick, which placed a bigger target on him and Daniele. They were all prep to have Zach go up, but Dick couldn't keep his trap shut. Week 5 (Daniele HOH): No!!! He and Daniele actually told Jessica, of all people of their plans, which was immediately undermined. Ridiculous theory of Kail and Eric working in conjunction, even after Jen told D/D that wasn't the case, made Dick's arguments against Eric ineffective. LNC thought he was crazy. The one thing he did right was worked Amber's secret, however, rather than stayed to his plan, he outed the news too early to Amber leaving Eric time to recuperate. He should've gone nuts when Daniele allowed Eric the HOH room to work the house, but didn't. Week 6 (Jess HOH): He thought he was going home. Banging pots and pans was suppose to make LNC play personally, but they all saw through his antics, especially when Jameka overheard Dick talking to himself about his plan to unnerve LNC before Veto. Basically, it didn't do squat. Had Dani stayed on the block Dani would've been evicted. All Dick did was lose more jury votes. Also the vague allusion to Eric about a plan that would get Eric ousted? Well, Eric basically didn't give a crap because it was so vague. Dick was still on his way out after the "deal". Only after his DR session and upon reflection, Eric decided to keep Dick so that America wouldn't further screw with him. I'm not sure what Dick could've done. Had he told specifics, then he basically would've outed Zach and Jen. This is not so much to say that what Dick did (vague) was the wrong move, it's to discredit that as great game play, since it didn't factor into Dick staying in the game. etc... 5. Drew: Major strategic mistake was to join the 4 horsemen. When that fell apart, his social game and Diane allowed him to coast to the finale. Working with the 5-finger planned secured trust of the non-4 horsemen. 4. Lisa: Coasted on the coat-tail of Jason and Dani. Didn't make any strategical mistake. Was able to mislead people in subtle ways that didn't piss people off. Was safe throughout the game due to her great social game. 3. Maggie: Held tight control over the Friendship, but played an average strategical game. Had the Sovereign won key HOHs, she would've been the main target. That's he main fault: she failed to be viewed as a non-threat. 2. Boogie : Read Will's coattail, but did some of his own work. Knew strategically what to do to manipulate. Worked Eric well to his position. His DRs, like Will, told viewers what his plan was and strategically executed those plans. 1. Will: In his season relayed to the viewers his plans and executed them. In all stars, was obvious target along with Boogie, but managed to manipulate both of their safety. Like D/D he and Boogie were natural targets from the start, and having been a winner and known about his tactic in his season, it was great game play to manage to go so far in allstars. If we're talking about worse player in term of who I hated the most? That's easy: I hated Maggie the most. Last Edited By: Scinovium 09/25/07 5:24 PM. Edited 2 times.
SimplyKimberly		#166	[-]
Posts: 1548 (09/25/07 5:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maggot is the top level of hate for me in BB. She was a hypocritical prig who lorded over the Nerd Herd and demanded perfection from others while she did whatever the hell she wanted to do. But... The very worst winner in BB history is the Pet Rock known as Lisa from BB3. The rightful winner and the only winner of that season for me is Danielle Reyes. That woman OWNED that house from start to finish. The jury was just a bunch of petty little bitches who couldn't get over being played so damn thoroughly. And... I hate to let that ponce Drew off the Hook because Diane is the one that played that game the hardest and best for most of the season. Why did she have to throw it away for him?
BMH69		#167	[-]
Posts: 5120 (09/25/07 5:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Polyester Bear wrote: Will Jun Maggie Boogie Drew Dick Lisa this list cannot be argued with. I won't argue with this ranking. I think Drew and Dick are probably interchangeable though. Will and Jun are the only GOOD winners that actually played the game well and were often completely in control of their respective seasons. Both made very good strategic decisions and played nearly flawless games. Will gets the edge because he is Dr. Evil but him and Jun played similar games in that they started out the game in a set alliance but once that alliance crumbled they played the role as a 'floater' and made moves to get to the end. They both had great DRs too where they laid out their strategies and stuck to them till the bitter end. As much as I loathe her Haggie was an excellent player. She controlled the Fiendship like a cult and had everyone of them ready to throw themselves in front of a bus for her. She manipulated Ivette for the majority of the season by using her love for 'Cappy' against her. She also manipulated Aperil by taking advantage of how emotionally unstable she was. Its just too bad Maggie won't own up to any of her brillant gameplay which is why she is ranked under Will and Jun. As much as he is universally hated because he is a disgusting vile scumbag...Boogie was a really decent player in All-Stars. He rode Will's coattails but also made some good strategic decisions himself and his showmance with Erikunt ended up really helping him in the end game. However he had a major advantage going into BBAS...he was not considered a threat in the least due to his poor performance in BB2 and of course he had a trustworthy ally from the getgo that made most of the decisions that got him to the end. Drew was lame. He was good at competitions and good at being seen as a the 'nice guy'. He used Diane and Cowboy to protect him right up till the end but for the most part he was a dumbass that seemed pretty oblivious to what was going on half the time. Dick's tactics worked but he will never be considered a great player due to the America's Player twist. It had too much influence on the game and it was one of the MAJOR reasons why he won. I know the Dick lovers hate hearing that but its the fuckin' truth. Deal with it. Lisa as sweet as she was...was a pretty lackluster player. A boring overrated bitch that spent the first half of the game attached to her showmance and then the second half of the game attached to whoever's coattails she thought she could ride the longest. She made almost no strategic decisions herself without the help of Danielle, Jason, or Marcellas. She lucked into her win in the end because Danielle was so hated by the jury.
Scinovium		#168	[-]
Posts: 56 (09/25/07 5:34 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BMH69 wrote: Polyester Bear wrote: Will Jun Maggie Boogie Drew Dick Lisa this list cannot be argued with. Its just too bad Maggie won't own up to any of her brillant gameplay which is why she is ranked under Will and Jun. She won't own up because she wasn't trying to manipulate on a conscious level. Her moral condescension was just who she was. Cappy contributed most to why she won. I ranked her high because she did control the game whether it was consciously or not. Within her season was was very effective. Compared outside her season, she's probably be near the bottom. Dick's tactics worked but he will never be considered a great player due to the America's Player twist. It had too much influence on the game and it was one of the MAJOR reasons why he won. I know the Dick lovers hate hearing that but its the fuckin' truth. Deal with it. What tactics are we talking about? If you are referring to the bullying tactic, I will argue that it wasn't effective at all. We can go by a case by case basis.
highwind44029		#169	[-]
Posts: 21530 (09/25/07 5:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	A Dying Clown wrote: *Quote:* The only thing Janelle did wrong was to lose this final HoH. Otherwise, she was in perfect position to CREAM Erika or Boogie and win the whole thing (which she may not have been able to do against Will) You could say the same about Jason, Ratbert and Diane, who would have easily won the final vote. We could say the same about Zach now too.
CMichigan97		#170	[-]
Posts: 493 (09/25/07 5:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I would love to see Dick play a "pure" game of Big Brother. No rigging, no estranged daughter winning comps for him. If he's such a badass, let him prove it. I'm guaranteeing he'd be one of the first three evicted in an All-Star season. Nobody would want to align with him, therefore he'd have to play a floater game and kiss ass. Yeah, that would really work well for him.
sunflower100		#171	[-]
Posts: 2312 (09/25/07 6:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BKidd92 wrote: Unranked: Eddie. 6. Drew - Horrible, horrible gameplay. He lucked out time after time, and made more mistakes than he did decent moves. 5. Mike - The only reason why Mike won was because Erica won the final HOH. We all know Will would have won had Mike or Will won the final HOH. You can't really praise Mike for that. 4. Lisa - I know most have ranked her last, but I think that's because we all know Danielle SHOULD have won. That aside, Lisa did have some strong points in her ability to adapt after Eric left, and really pick up the gameplay. She stumbled along for a while, then realized where she needed to be in the game, so I can't really fault her for that. 3. Jun - She played a very silent game, but she was strategic. I would have liked to see Jun in allstars, because we would have gotten to see more of her strategic side. She realized the split in the house, and capitalized on it. Nearly flawless game. 2. Maggie - I actually debated about ranking Maggie first or second. I couldn't stand her... let's go ahead and get that out of the way. However, she was a fantastic, albeit creepy player. Maggie was the one player who truly perfected the "cult" strategy. She was their leader, they were her sheep, the end. 1. Will - He was the first, and he will be the last. I would say that no one in any show has really lived up to the standard Dr. Will set in BB2. His wit, charm, good looks, and uncanny ability to piss off everyone while earning their respect made him a great player. erika didn't win the final hoh. she won the endurance hoh because janelle got distracted when boogie jumped off. erika then lost to boogie in the final hoh comp, and might have thrown that final part. also boogie had no part in getting rid of will. that was janelle/erika deciding to go to the final 2 together, and janelle using the veto to get rid of will did it. boogie actually benefited big time from will leaving at 4th, however he didn't want it to happen.
Imjesee		#172	[-]
Posts: 151 (09/25/07 7:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	the best winners? Will & Dick! Oh you asked for the worst? Jun & Maggie
BMH69		#173	[-]
Posts: 5121 (09/25/07 7:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	highwind44029 wrote: A Dying Clown wrote: *Quote:* The only thing Janelle did wrong was to lose this final HoH. Otherwise, she was in perfect position to CREAM Erika or Boogie and win the whole thing (which she may not have been able to do against Will) You could say the same about Jason, Ratbert and Diane, who would have easily won the final vote. We could say the same about Zach now too. Well that makes sense seeing as naturally the person that goes out 3rd is usually the one that the other two don't want to face in the F2 because they have the most support on the jury...other reasons too but that is one of the main one. Course people bitch about how horrible Janelle is at BB and diss her gameplay constantly but the bitch must have done some things right...its not a walk in the park making the Final 3 twice...I know I'm biased but I'm jus sayin' And I too would like to see Dick play without America's help. I guarantee he wouldn't even make the jury. He is far too obnoxious and his schitck wears off FAST and it would even faster against players that already know him if god forbid there is ever another BB All-Stars. Dick will probably be 60 if and when that ever happens. She won't own up because she wasn't trying to manipulate on a conscious level. Her moral condescension was just who she was. Cappy contributed most to why she won. I ranked her high because she did control the game whether it was consciously or not. Within her season was was very effective. Compared outside her season, she's probably be near the bottom. Very interesting opinion and I actually somewhat agree. I definitely think that Maggie's delusional moral superiority played a part in why she played the way she did. But I do think to some degree she was manipulating the players in her group and she knew it. Its the same why she manipulated Howie into not nominating her and nominating James and Sarah instead. She KNEW what she was doing but would play dumb when confronted with it because it wasn't in her moral conscience to accept that she was being manipulative and devious. What tactics are we talking about? If you are referring to the bullying tactic, I will argue that it wasn't effective at all. We can go by a case by case basis. I'm talking about is aggressive behavior and bullying yes. To a degree it did work. People in that house were intimidated by him whether they admit to it or not. His big personality drew others to him early in the game and then away from him later on but intially the aggressive behavior was an interesting strategy that at least kept him afloat in the beginning of BB8 erika didn't win the final hoh. she won the endurance hoh because janelle got distracted when boogie jumped off. I still say that was a Chenbot fuckup and Janelle would have probably won BBAS if not for that fuckup.
April R		#174	[-]
Posts: 3155 (09/25/07 8:16 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	worst in terms of my hate: Maggie worst strategic player: Drew or Dick
sunflower100		#175	[-]
Posts: 2313 (09/25/07 8:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i do agree that julie wasn't clear on the rules, and they shouldn't have eliminated janelle at that time because at that time because they rules weren't fully clear yet.
Nods		#176	[-]
Posts: 1730 (09/25/07 8:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	7. Maggie - sorry but being the weakest in the group does not make you the best winner 6. Boogie - I guess he played the game...... 5. Jun - Season 4 was just bad, I guess people like Jun because most people just didn't watch 4. Drew - Underrated, joins the horseman but stays cool with everyone else so it didn't matter, won challenges and got rid of the sucky people (Holly, Marvin), let every person make mistakes (Oh Jase-Scott-Holly want to fuck with the group...bye, Twins want to try and cut Will lose... see ya, Will, Karen don't want to win shit later... Diane, Cowboy want to campaign guess you lost those other votes, Nikomis allign with people who aren't doing shit oh well) 3. Lisa - uhh... I think the fact that you made everyone like you 2. Evil Dick - Yes he was a total shit but he had a plan that worked 1. Will
ssseeeaaann		#177	[-]
Posts: 69 (09/25/07 8:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Dick is easily the worst, he only got to the final 2 because of Allison Grodner. Maggot and Booger are vile people and Lisa and Drew let Danielle and Diane do all the work, but regardless, at least the four of them won the game without the producers doing it all for them.
WylDawg		#178	[-]
Posts: 12441 (09/25/07 8:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Will you people shut the fuck up with Maggie already! So she was the leader of the vilest group to appear on Big Brother, how the hell does that mean she wasn't a strategic player and deserving of winning??? I'm so fucking tired of people who think "deserving" means the one they personally liked the most.
queenbee15		#179	[-]
Posts: 130 (09/25/07 8:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ED was the worst winner since he was going to get voted out without the AP twist. Even a coattail riding Lisa accomplished more on her own
Scinovium		#180	[-]
Posts: 57 (09/25/07 10:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	She won't own up because she wasn't trying to manipulate on a conscious level. Her moral condescension was just who she was. Cappy contributed most to why she won. I ranked her high because she did control the game whether it was consciously or not. Within her season was was very effective. Compared outside her season, she's probably be near the bottom. Very interesting opinion and I actually somewhat agree. I definitely think that Maggie's delusional moral superiority played a part in why she played the way she did. But I do think to some degree she was manipulating the players in her group and she knew it. Its the same why she manipulated Howie into not nominating her and nominating James and Sarah instead. She KNEW what she was doing but would play dumb when confronted with it because it wasn't in her moral conscience to accept that she was being manipulative and devious. She had such pull that even though Rachel knew it was a bad plan, Rachel was afraid to revoke the deal with Maggie for fear of retribution. She clearly manipulated Howie at that point, and factoring that in, deserves the #3 spot. Janelle was so afraid of Maggie that she wouldn't let Howie be alone later on. What tactics are we talking about? If you are referring to the bullying tactic, I will argue that it wasn't effective at all. We can go by a case by case basis. I'm talking about is aggressive behavior and bullying yes. To a degree it did work. People in that house were intimidated by him whether they admit to it or not. His big personality drew others to him early in the game and then away from him later on but intially the aggressive behavior was an interesting strategy that at least kept him afloat in the beginning of BB8 I agree that some people in the house were intimidated by Dick, we only need to look at the LNC + Co held up in the HOH room during Hell Week. But how that intimidation translate to some tangible advantage especially after his HOH. What Dick did right was put a target on the Mrs. Robinson Alliance, but it also the product of Eric's work. By his aggressive style he put a target on him and his daughter throughout the game (1st from Jen/Kail) then later from the LNC5. I also agree that his charisma drew people to him (Amber, Eric), which after week 2 due to his reign of terror, worked against him. By week 3 (after telling Amber to not celebrate so outwardly) Amber was against Dick. I still don't see an instance where his bullying tactic provided him an advantage, except for that one POV while Dick was HOH that caused Kail to frazzle so quickly. Dick would argue that he gave his the slightest advantage (Jen choking in the POV when she was HOH ... choking from his vantage point). But these are within the competition themselves, and while it can be argued that may have provided a slight advantage... by making himself the target that offsets what advantage he gained. It's his rant that actually made Daniele's game a losing game as well. Had Daniele made it to F2, his game play affected her own game play. Additionally, if he thought that this tactic worked he certainly didn't apply it consistently. No rant on Eric prior to F5 HOH, his rant on Zach failed to yield a win.

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