suckshardcore wrote:On the clay boards it was
I didn't realize Payola was a hot topic in the last 50 years.
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suckshardcore wrote:On the clay boards it was |
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EllieTay |
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suckshardcore wrote: Sony BMG Music settles Spitzer's payola probe Recording company to pay $10 million, curb 'pay for play' practices Wed., July 27, 2005 ALBANY, New York - Recording industry titan Sony BMG Music Entertainment agreed Monday to pay $10 million and stop bribing radio stations to feature its artists in what a state official called a more sophisticated generation of the payola scandals of decades ago. The agreement springs from an investigation by New York state Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who called the practice "pervasive" in the industry and suggested other music industry giants could face similar penalties. Pay-for-play "is driving the industry, and it is wrong," Spitzer told reporters. Sony BMG, whose various labels include hundreds of artists from Aretha Franklin and Tony Bennett to Beyonce Knowles and the Dixie Chicks, said in a statement some of its employees had engaged in "wrong and improper" practices. The company said it looked forward to "defining a new, higher standard in radio promotion," but did not say whether it had fired or disciplined any of those employees. A spokeswoman did not immediately return a call for further comment. A 1960 federal law and related state laws bar record companies from offering undisclosed financial incentives in exchange for airplay. The practice was called "payola," a contraction of "pay" and "Victrola," the old wind-up record player. Asked why he did not bring criminal charges in the case, Spitzer noted the criminal laws governing pay-for-play are more specific and difficult to violate than the civil laws. Companies in the recording industry depend heavily on airplay for their artists. It boosts sales by encouraging listeners to buy their music and helps them climb the charts, which are based on airplay. Spitzer said Sony BMG's efforts to win more airplay took many forms, including outright bribes of cash and electronics to radio stations and paying for contest giveaways for listeners. In other cases, he said, Sony BMG used middlemen known as independent promoters to funnel cash to radio stations. The attorney general called the system more sophisticated than the 1950s and '60s payola scandals, most of which involved direct payments of cash to DJs in exchange for airplay. "This is a more formalized, more corporatized structure to get the same result," he said. He added, "I feel a little like Bill Murray in the movie 'Groundhog Day,"' a story about a cynical weatherman who is forced to continuously relive the worst day of his life. Jonathan Adelstein, a Democratic member of the Federal Communications Commission, said Spitzer "appears to have found a whole arsenal of smoking guns." "We need to investigate each particular instance that Spitzer has uncovered to see if it is a violation of federal law. This is a potentially massive scandal," he said. The FCC has power over the nation's radio stations, which are licensed to use public airwaves. Executives aware of payola In the Sony BMG case, Spitzer released to reporters e-mails, most of them dated 2003, 2004 and 2005, that he said showed company executives were well aware of the payola practices. In one case, an employee of Sony BMG's Epic label was trying to promote the group Audioslave to a station and asked: "WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO GET AUDIOSLAVE ON WKSS THIS WEEK?!!? Whatever you can dream up, I can make it happen." In another case in 2004, the promotion department of Sony BMG label Epic Records paid for an extravagant trip to Miami for a Buffalo DJ and three friends in exchange for adding the Franz Ferdinand song "Take Me Out" to the DJ's station's playlist. And in another, a program director for two Clear Channel radio stations, WKKF-FM and KISS-FM, sent an e-mail to a Sony executive saying: "Looking for a laptop for promotion on Bow Wow," a reference to a rapper. Spitzer said Sony BMG employees sought to conceal some payments by using fictitious contest winners to document the transactions. Still, he praised Sony BMG executives for fully cooperating with the inquiry. Spitzer has asked for documents from three other major recording industry names - EMI, Warner Music Group and Vivendi Universal SA's Universal Music Group. While Spitzer would not talk specifically about investigations into those companies, he said the payola problem goes "way beyond Sony BMG." Don Henley of the Eagles, a founding member of the Recording Artists Coalition, praised Spitzer for addressing a problem that hurts recording artists. "We look forward to other record labels agreeing to similar reforms," said Henley, who has given $25,000 in campaign contributions to Spitzer over the past year. Spitzer is running for governor in 2006. Sony BMG is a joint venture of Sony Corp. and Germany's Bertelsmann AG. Shares of Sony were down 23 cents, or about two-thirds of 1 percent, at $34.40 in afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Sony BMG is an umbrella organization for several prominent record labels, including Arista Records, Columbia Records, Sony Music International and Jive Records. Star artists signed with the Arista label alone include Whitney Houston, OutKast, Pink and Sarah McLachlan. The $10 million will be distributed to not-for-profit entities and earmarked for music education programs, Spitzer said. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8700936/ |
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Where the heck are all the Glamberts? They're all over the Internet but kinda slow to actually buy music. Weird.Judging from how many 60 and above Sparkle Cows on those forums, maybe their kids have wisened up and withheld Granny's weekly allowances. |
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A friend of mine was a DJ in the 80s and he said record company execs would come to town and wine and dine him, give him drugs, etc. That was the 80s but I
wouldn't be surprised if some of that same shit still goes on.
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LMEY > FYE
Just sayin'. |
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I feel like I just walked into a fifth grade classroom half the time in this thread.
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I'm actually impressed that Sony BMG was involved in a payola scandal. I wish Sony BMG Canada cared enough about their artists to pay for anything for
them, lol.
This must be an American music industry problem since I know there's no fucking way the Canadian music labels are paying for play for their artists. Either that or Canadian DJs are easy to impress and payola consists of a cup of Timmie's and a box of donuts. |
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Kris' album is REALLY good...(listening to the stream on AOL) and much more impressive than the 30 sec clips would've indicated.
I hope he does really really great (even if that means he outsells Adam) because he's very talented!!! weird, in that article posted, I don't see RCA or Kelly Clarkson mentioned at all.
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To be fair RCA sucks too, even if they aren't mentioned in that article.
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eraserhead19 wrote: Is that your lame attempt at an out for Kelly? Are you saying that Sony BMG was sued for payola practices but Sony did it for everyone except Kelly? Do you know how stupid that makes you seem? In the Sony BMG case, Spitzer released to reporters e-mails, most of them dated 2003, 2004 and 2005, that he said showed company executives were well aware of the payola practices. Here is the reference to the e-mails I saw published that did specifically mention Kelly among many others that received the payola push. Remember the cars the radio stations gave as prizes during her concerts the summer of 2005? Payola baby! Remember the radio promo prize tickets to fly to the Bahamas for a stay at the resort and to see Kelly in concert there this year? That is another form of Payola in exchange for radio spins. Please tell me you aren't as stupid as you seem. |
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Hi thread stalker - take the Kelly shit to her thread. Your continued bitterness years later is pathetic. No one cares anymore.
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The real test for me is going to be hearing both of Adam and Kris' albums in the car, blaring as high as my speakers will allow. Until then, I think the
race will be a close one. Based on one-time listens only, I think Kris has the better overall album, but I think Adam has a few gems on his album that will
help propel it.
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KellysMomCalledMeFine wrote: Actually this is right on topic, I'm just using examples to make my point. Adam and Kris will do as well in sales as the labels are willing to $upport them. Notice that Kris is doing a handful of radio station concerts in Dec. He does these for free in exchange for radio spins. Also notice that Adam isn't doing any. Who do you think is going to sell more based on label support alone? Yup. Kris. Adam November 22/09 - AMA Awards November 23/09 - Album Release November 24/09 - GMA Concert November 25/09 - Letterman December 01/09 - The Ellen DeGeneres Show December 09/09 - ADL Annual Benefit - Spielberg to be honored Kris November 08/09 - Live in the Vineyard - Napa Valley November 09/09 - Kris album streams live on AOL Music November 10/09 - Kris presents nominees for Peoples' Choice Awards November 13/09 - Conan O'Brien November 17/09 - GMA Concert/Album Release November 18/09 - Regis & Kelly November 20/09 - Ellen DeGeneres - Broadcast (Probable) November 21/09 - VH1 Top 20 Video Countdown appearance 9:00 AM EST December 01/09 - 107.9 Jingle Ball - Sacramento, CA December 04/09 - Miracle Near State Street show in Chicago with The Fray December 06/09 - Kissmas Bash in Buffalo, NY December 07/09 - 104.5 XLO Acoustic XMas at Mechanics Hall in Worcester, MA. December 11/09 - Z100's Jingle Ball '09 - Madison Square Garden, NYC December 18/09 - XL106.7 XL'ent Xmas '09 - HOB, Orlando December 22/09 - AOL Music Sessions with Kris Allen premieres including exclusive performances and interviews
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EllieTay wrote:Well ellietard.. it's not my lame anything. Someone made the direct accusation that Kelly was named and you provided the article about the actual settlement wherein Kelly wasn't mentioned at all. She did contests and give aways and YES that is a form of pay for play... but her songs also sold over 1 million plus downloads each so CLEARLY the music listeners were LIKING what they heard otherwise why would they buy it? can you get off your "i kate kelly kick" seriously. It's fucking old. and yes, SHC RCA sucks Who do you think is going to sell more based on label support alone? Yup. Kris. So wait... doesn't this directly conflict with the idea that Kris' label hates him and that Adam is the chosen one? I'm really cornfuzzled now...
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eraserhead19 wrote: Music listeners bought millions of copies of dogs barking Jingle Bells too. So wait... doesn't this directly conflict with the idea that Kris's label hates him and that Adam is the chosen one? I'm really cornfuzzled now... I never said that. |
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EllieTay wrote:I'm not getting into this argument, but |
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Music listeners bought millions of copies of dogs barking Jingle Bells too.You know I see where you're going with this in terms of Kelly bashing but this could easily be spun as anti-Clay too though. Clay didn't sell as many copies of his last album as the dogs barking Jingle Bells song did therefore dogs barking Jingle Bells sound better than Clay's singing. You arguments fail in terms of logic anyway, eraserhead said people obviously liked Kelly's music and bought it, your comment only reinforces the idea that people buy what they like, obviously people liked that dogs Christmas tune thing so they bought it. I'm sure your point was that the masses have bad taste of some shit but really your comment just makes you look like a dumb fuck. |
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Are you saying that Sony BMG was sued for payola practices but Sony did it for everyone except Kelly? Do you know how stupid that makes you seem?Does this mean that there wasn't enough pay and incentives in the world for radio stations to play Clay? Be careful. If you say they didn't do it for Clay wouldn't that make you seem stupid using your own words above?
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I know that its hard to resist bashing Clay or a known Clay fan simply because its the thing to do around here but why not just rise above it and talk about
the topic at hand instead. We're talking about whether Adam or Kris will sell more CDs.
I should have ignored references to other idols but its tough to do when they are the known track record. I'm not hating on Kelly, she just happens to be the one that eraserhead brought up to rebut my assertion that payola still happens. You know I see where you're going with this in terms of Kelly bashing but this could easily be spun as anti-Clay too though. Clay didn't sell as many copies of his last album as the dogs barking Jingle Bells song did therefore dogs barking Jingle Bells sound better than Clay's singing. But see this is my point. If you hear it enough on the radio, people will buy it. If you don't get label $upport (i.e. payola), it won't sell much. See Aiken:Clay if you want to use him as an example. When he had a $upported single on the radio he sold millions. When he didn't. he sold poorly. It ain't rocket science. |
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