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Bob411

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04/27/12 12:29 AM

Here's a question: Has anyone ever had the strategy of making deals with multiple people to take one another on rewards, and then just thrown all of the reward challenges? Maybe it isn't worth the risk of getting caught.

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FistOLegend

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04/27/12 12:57 AM

Bob411 wrote:
If Kim knew the rules of Survivor, she would know that Troy does not have an idol.

There are no 'rules' of Survivor. Based on precedent she probably doubted there was another idol, but she couldn't know.

Constantinople

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04/27/12 08:21 AM

TheWizard wrote:
RunawayJuror wrote:
greenday061892 wrote:
Constantinople, why do you pick apart and attack nearly everything Stephen says?
Because this is Sucks?
Greenday, I like the debate! Connie always has good points.

Because, as RunawayJuror -- or Runnie in Wizard parlance -- said, this is Sucks.

Because Wizzie appreciates vigorous debate, and I appreciate his insight and the time he takes to respond.

Because <3 posts are boring.

Constantinople

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04/27/12 08:24 AM

LadyShmady wrote:
Kim is incapable of throwing a challenge. It's her gift and her curse.

The only things Kim will throw are some of her so-called allies, when she throws them under the bus.

RunawayJuror

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04/27/12 10:10 AM

Bob411 wrote:
Here's a question: Has anyone ever had the strategy of making deals with multiple people to take one another on rewards, and then just thrown all of the reward challenges? Maybe it isn't worth the risk of getting caught.

In his podcast, Rob C. said that he threw some RCs in Amazon.

survivorgirl22

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04/27/12 10:14 AM

The thing about throwing that particular challenge is if you deliberately write down the wrong name on one of the really negative questions then you potentially piss that person off because they might think you think that about them.

PKFA

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04/27/12 01:56 PM

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Or you could just write down your own name, assuming you don't think that's the correct answer.

drowsy12

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04/27/12 02:03 PM

survivorgirl22 wrote:
The thing about throwing that particular challenge is if you deliberately write down the wrong name on one of the really negative questions then you potentially piss that person off because they might think you think that about them.

THIS.

if you actually look at what the last question is, Kim really couldn't have purposely missed it, she had to answer Troyzan. It was something like 'who do you never want to see again?' or something pretty negative.

TheWizard

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04/27/12 03:23 PM

Avocado Assassin

drowsy12 wrote:
survivorgirl22 wrote:
The thing about throwing that particular challenge is if you deliberately write down the wrong name on one of the really negative questions then you potentially piss that person off because they might think you think that about them.

THIS.

if you actually look at what the last question is, Kim really couldn't have purposely missed it, she had to answer Troyzan. It was something like 'who do you never want to see again?' or something pretty negative.

But as PFKA mentioned, she could write her own name down here.

CoconutPhone

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04/27/12 03:29 PM

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TheWizard wrote:

drowsy12 wrote:

survivorgirl22 wrote:
The thing about throwing that particular challenge is if you deliberately write down the wrong name on one of the really negative questions then you potentially piss that person off because they might think you think that about them.

THIS.

if you actually look at what the last question is, Kim really couldn't have purposely missed it, she had to answer Troyzan. It was something like 'who do you never want to see again?' or something pretty negative.
But as PFKA mentioned, she could write her own name down here.

But that's an obvious throw away answer. That can backfire on you too.

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tublecane

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04/27/12 05:56 PM

CoconutPhone wrote:

But that's an obvious throw away answer. That can backfire on you too.

I could see people knowing you threw it. That sort of throwing could come back at you as jury pandering and hurt your chances. But could it possibly hurt more than leaving a feeble-minded allies with a yapping pekingese of a consciously short-timed target? No.

But that might be overthinking things. I could theorize that Kim could have taken a dive earlier, as soon as Troyzan was out, without it being suspicious. But she wanted to be strong for the more important later challenge. All this is overthinking, though, as Kat didn't flip and I don't think will.

TheRealZingBot

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04/27/12 08:44 PM

JaniTholeMyDolly wrote:
TheWizard wrote:
tublecane wrote:
Why would you need to figure out the cause? Wouldn't it be enough to do whatever it is you do with narcisists, which I guess is stroke their ego like Boston Rob did with his Redheaded Stepchild. Would it have benefitted Rob all that much to know that Philip actually was red-headed as a child and was sexually abused by his stepfather, assuming you can pinpoint a cause? Any more, I mean, than regular talking and sharing of personal information helps you.

As for Cochran, I'm pretty sure no one needed to be told he was a nerd, and therefore probably had been bullied at some point. Coach certainly didn't need to dig to know Cochran's tribe had alienated him, nor at least one reason why. It was out in the open at the challenges.

By the way, isn't nearly everyone--not just out-and-out nerdsd like Cochran--bullied at some point in their lives? Depending, I guess, on how high you set the bar for what constitutes bullying. It's not very deep psychologizing to make up a story you can use to relate to someone who's clearly on the outs with their tribe.

Right, it's less a question of figuring out causes and more a question of figuring out emotional needs - like Rob saying, "Phillip just needs to be heard." Or Russell fully playing into Coach's imaginary world and "knighting" him versus the way BRob was so dismissive of Coach's adolescent male fantasy.

So Coach is really like that? Is he really convinced these things have happened to him?

I am re-watching your season today while I work- love it. =)

Superheroes (in this case, fictional King Author's Court) are often used as a psychological coping mechanism in response to childhood trauma. The child experiences abuse and turns to fictional justice, since they don't know/haven't learned any real world way to counter the abuse (if any counter is even available/an option). Howard Stern is a classic example a colossal narcissist turning to comic superheroes as a kid/teenager. Remember when Coach expressed a cold death stare when someone called him Benjamin? I would not be surprised if Coach's childhood trauma came from people calling him Benjamin.

TheRealZingBot

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04/27/12 09:51 PM

TheWizard wrote:
New People blog! Life lessons we can learn from Kat!
http://www.people.com/peo...icle/0,,20590539,00.html

The Survivor quote at the beginning was perfectly chosen (and your switch to Survivor quotes really works well). Glad you mentioned Troyzan's lack of tact/ability-to-express a compelling argument, despite having sound reasons on his side. Also saw this in episode 8 when Troyzan figured out Kim was lying to him (by a dialogue tell), and then went to inform Jay about Kim. And thanks for showcasing Kat's psychology. In a perfect way, you walk away with a really good life lesson about the follow-the-group mentality/behavior of most people (despite reason and evidence pointing in a better direction from the group behavior). And as always, your word craft/expression is exceptional.

In my mind, the real life applied psychology/sociology lessons learned from Survivor is what makes Survivor the best TV show ever. The show never gets dull because a new mix of people give another unpredictable set of interactions to learn about psychology (safe from a distance).

andrew51491

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04/28/12 12:42 AM

TheWizard wrote:
drowsy12 wrote:
survivorgirl22 wrote:
The thing about throwing that particular challenge is if you deliberately write down the wrong name on one of the really negative questions then you potentially piss that person off because they might think you think that about them.

THIS.

if you actually look at what the last question is, Kim really couldn't have purposely missed it, she had to answer Troyzan. It was something like 'who do you never want to see again?' or something pretty negative.
But as PFKA mentioned, she could write her own name down here.

She could always write your name down Stephen.

TheWizard

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04/29/12 01:27 PM

Avocado Assassin

Not my strategy blog, but an interview with Russell from Flipped Off. I know this is horrendously off-topic, sorry
http://www.people.com/peo...icle/0,,20591347,00.html

JaniTholeMyDolly

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04/29/12 04:03 PM

Resident bitchy bitch

Wow- the comments people are leaving are BRUTAL. LOL

RunawayJuror

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04/29/12 04:30 PM

JaniTholeMyDolly wrote:
Wow- the comments people are leaving are BRUTAL. LOL

LOL. Where are all his "fans" who voted him fan favorite twice?!

Stephen - have you seen this trainwreck of a show? Is it entertaining? The comments made me curious.

LadyShmady

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04/29/12 07:27 PM

There's Something About Shmady

Constantinople wrote:
TheWizard wrote:
RunawayJuror wrote:
Because this is Sucks?
Greenday, I like the debate! Connie always has good points.
Because, as RunawayJuror -- or Runnie in Wizard parlance -- said, this is Sucks.

Because Wizzie appreciates vigorous debate, and I appreciate his insight and the time he takes to respond.

Because <3 posts are boring.

<3

This is the first time I haven't wanted to puke at something Russell has said ...

"Overall, has Survivor helped or hurt your life?
I don't think I've had enough time yet to answer that question. Right now, I can tell you, I don't regret anything that I've done, in my personal life or the game of Survivor. Later on, three or four years down the road, I might start regretting it. But right now, I'm fine."

I hate him for it.

tublecane

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04/30/12 04:21 PM

TheRealZingBot wrote:

Superheroes (in this case, fictional King Author's Court) are often used as a psychological coping mechanism in response to childhood trauma. The child experiences abuse and turns to fictional justice, since they don't know/haven't learned any real world way to counter the abuse (if any counter is even available/an option). Howard Stern is a classic example a colossal narcissist turning to comic superheroes as a kid/teenager. Remember when Coach expressed a cold death stare when someone called him Benjamin? I would not be surprised if Coach's childhood trauma came from people calling him Benjamin.

Ah, but here's exactly my point. One could learn not to call Coach Benjamin because he instists, insistantly and often, on being called Coach. You wouldn't have to divine that he needs to be recognized as his alter-ego due to some childhood trauma according to some generic correlation between childhood trauma, fictional heroes, and adult narcissism (or douchebaggery, as most people here put it). In fact I'd argue the latter means is by far more roundabout and abstract, and therefore more apt to be false than simply noticing that he doiesn't like to be called "Ben."

By the way, this trauma-superhero-narcissist theory explains Coach's obssesion with King Arthur, his unspecified but apparently chilvalric code of conduct, the dragonslaying, etc. What does it have to do with him being called "Coach"? He actually is a coach, and his insistence on being identified as such could be the same sort of professional pride, or overcompensation, motivating the meastro character from Seinfeld. Or maybe it's that he was a typical reality tv character and wants to be as highly consistent a character as possible, in the interest of making money afterwards.

Now, that, too, is a sign of narcissism. But it's a seperate issue from the Arthurian legend going on in his head.

JaniTholeMyDolly

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04/30/12 04:42 PM

Resident bitchy bitch

I think he's just a run-of-the-mill, garden variety lunatic. Harmless, but insane.

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