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chaddie		#41	[-]
Posts: 64 (10/19/09 10:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: chaddie wrote: i still to this day think if Iborehem was voted out instead of Angie, they would have won an IC challenge. And you jumped to this logic how? The only challenge Ibrehem was a hindrance in was that one challenge where they had to swim down to the bottom of the ocean and untie the bottles and that wasn't even a immunity challenge, that was just a reward. Ulong would have lost every immunity challenge no matter who they voted out after Jolanda because they had no leader or someone to rally behind to get their asses in check. IDK, coz i am an Angie fan and she shouldnt have gotten screwed with that 'koror gives Individ. immunity to someone' twist and Ibe sorta gave up while Angie would have tried to keep everyones spirits up.
Olmec Donald		#42	[-]
Posts: 883 (10/19/09 11:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: What ticked me off more than merging late was the way Bobby Jon was forced to leave the game. As stated by others, he had multiple opportunities to save himself from that position. If Ulong won even one immunity up until that point, they merge at 10 and Bobby is voted off fairly. Thailandsurvivor wrote: and that's not even counting Angie and Jenn's bullshit eliminations Very well, how would you have done it differently? I'm assuming you'd take past votes as your tiebreaker, in which case Jenn survives. However, what do you recommend if there are no past votes?
Thailandsurvivor		#43	[-]
Posts: 8346 (10/19/09 11:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Past votes (Australia, Africa) > Keep voting until someone changes (Borneo) > Trivia question about the location (Africa) > Purple Rock > Firemaking tiebreakers
JackSparrowBauer		#44	[-]
Posts: 2587 (10/20/09 7:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: Past votes (Australia, Africa) > Keep voting until someone changes (Borneo) > Trivia question about the location (Africa) > Purple Rock > Firemaking tiebreakers This.
tullfan2		#45	[-]
Posts: 3899 (10/20/09 7:58 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Thailandsurvivor wrote: I think firemaking tiebreakers are BS, and I hate HII's (other than Guatemala's). With that said, Cirie had the option to win immunity, sway Terry, or win the tiebreaker. That's a hell of a lot more opportunities than Bobby Jon had. Had Terry given the idol to Danielle, I would listen to an argument for Cirie (and Sundra had Yul given the idol to Becky), but Bobby Jon didn't have the option to vote. He was automatically put into a challenge. I think firemaking tiebreakers are BS. Cirie had the option to win immunity. You are contradicting yourself here. Just consider the firemaking tiebreaker to be an Individual Immunity Challenge. If Bobby Jon had started the fire first, he would have won Immunity period! Burnett scrapped the prior votes tiebreaker because it was getting tedious (especially in Africa when Brandon spent a lot of time studying the Survivor Manual in anticipation of a tiebreaker that never happened).
Thailandsurvivor		#46	[-]
Posts: 8349 (10/20/09 11:32 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Do you see the comma? Cirie had the option to get votes on her sides, something Bobby Jon did not. I was comparing the two.
GrenadeJumper85		#47	[-]
Posts: 14046 (10/20/09 11:52 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Using past votes still wouldn't have made difference in the BJ/Stephenie TC because BJ still had two past votes whereas Stephanie only had one, so whoops, BJ still goes either way.
astroline		#48	[-]
Posts: 2692 (10/20/09 11:52 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ulong did have a great tribe. The only weak links were Ashlee & James -- if they had gotten rid of those 2 first, they would have been in much better shape. But who knows, the leadership differences from Jolanda and if Jeff still got injured would have hurt them anyway, but James really did drag them down. Say what you want about Kim, but she was easily the smartest person on Ulong and Koror combined. They could have used her much more in the puzzle challenges after she was voted out. Instead, they had James, who was useless physically, mentally and even at building something when he's in that field, two big buff guys without a lot of smarts, and Stephenie. Kim was a huge asset, along with Jeff & Jolanda, but they let them all go way too early. I like Angie as well but I'd put her out right after Ashlee & James. Then again, I'm biased. Ulong is my favorite tribe, with my favorite castaway, on my favorite season. Whatever.
OrsNaz		#49	[-]
Posts: 215 (10/20/09 12:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	astroline wrote: Ulong did have a great tribe. The only weak links were Ashlee & James -- if they had gotten rid of those 2 first, they would have been in much better shape. But who knows, the leadership differences from Jolanda and if Jeff still got injured would have hurt them anyway, but James really did drag them down. Say what you want about Kim, but she was easily the smartest person on Ulong and Koror combined. They could have used her much more in the puzzle challenges after she was voted out. Instead, they had James, who was useless physically, mentally and even at building something when he's in that field, two big buff guys without a lot of smarts, and Stephenie. Kim was a huge asset, along with Jeff & Jolanda, but they let them all go way too early. I like Angie as well but I'd put her out right after Ashlee & James. Then again, I'm biased. Ulong is my favorite tribe, with my favorite castaway, on my favorite season. Whatever. No... I agree with your point about James/Ashlee but Kim deserved to go before Angie/Ib/Jeff/Steph/Bobby. She did barely anything around camp and wasn't anything amazing at challenges either. Had she been more of an asset at camp/proved she was good at puzzles, than you can argue otherwise, but as of now its all theories. Had Jeff not injured himself and they had booted James after Ashlee, I believe they could have recovered somewhat and gone to the merge with 4, maybe 3. Who knows. Keeping James around for so damn long definitely didn't make any sense.
GrenadeJumper85		#50	[-]
Posts: 14051 (10/20/09 12:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yea, Kim sucked! Prime Example - The Sumo challenge where stick-thin Janu pushed her off the platform with little to no effort at all.
FormerLongTimeLurker		#51	[-]
Posts: 1718 (10/20/09 1:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The crazy thing about firemaking tiebreakers is that they are biased AGAINST those who are good at making fire. When building a survival type fire, the last thing you want is to build it with high, fast flames, which is what you have to do to burn through the rope. This is why people like Bobby Jon end up losing to people like Stephenie, and it's inherently unfair.
SurvivorGuy91		#52	[-]
Posts: 45 (10/20/09 1:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The show is called SURVIVOR. What is one of the most important elements to survival, FIRE. They should learn how to at least start a fire with flint. That doesn't mean you have to make it every time, just learn how to.Bobby Jon has plenty of opportunities to save himself, he wasn't good enough to win immunity, and went home. It was pretty fair in my eyes.
Quiddity		#53	[-]
Posts: 6519 (10/20/09 3:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	astroline wrote: Ulong did have a great tribe. Yeah, um, I think that's about as far as I have to go with that post. I'm sure whatever the rest of your post was, it was a lot of praise for Jeff and Kim.
Thailandsurvivor		#54	[-]
Posts: 8354 (10/20/09 3:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Using past votes still wouldn't have made difference in the BJ/Stephenie TC because BJ still had two past votes whereas Stephanie only had one, so whoops, BJ still goes either way. And if he knew that in advance, it would have been fair.
Maniacboy888		#55	[-]
Posts: 2851 (10/20/09 3:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	He should have known from Angie's Tc when it was a tie and Steph switched, im Sure Probst told them the tie breakers
GrenadeJumper85		#56	[-]
Posts: 14055 (10/20/09 4:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They ALL know what the tiebreaker is when it comes to a deadlocked vote. They've told them what it was ever since the purple rock in Marquesas. Whenever there's a tie or deadlock vote with more than four people they go to Purple Rock. When there's a tie with four people or less they do a fire-making challenge - Cirie ,or some other castaway I can't remember 100%, confirmed this a while ago.
XtremeInnovator420		#57	[-]
Posts: 2316 (10/20/09 4:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Didn't Eliza say in her thread that they tell them what the tiebreakers are in their contracts? Not sure if they did in Palau, but I know she said their contracts said what the tiebreakers were in Micro. And "agreement to never vote for each other", or not....there's no way James should've survived that tribal council and that it came down to BJ or Angie. Mind you, Ibe would've gone and both would've survived without that Immunity bit, but since at least 3 korors were thinking strategically then, that was just gameplay.
GrenadeJumper85		#58	[-]
Posts: 14057 (10/20/09 5:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Didn't Eliza say in her thread that they tell them what the tiebreakers are in their contracts? I'm pretty positive they tell them all what the tiebreakers will be in their contracts. Do you people not ever wonder why we've never had a deadlock tie vote with a group of castaways larger then four people??!! Because they all know the tie-breaker is the purple rock. Now this is all keeping in mind that they haven't changed it for these later couple of seasons.
Maniacboy888		#59	[-]
Posts: 2852 (10/20/09 5:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	In Amanda's attempted boot in Micronesia, Cirie tells Amanda that she won't force a tie because of the Purple Rock. So I'm pretty sure that the rules have stayed the same.
Thailandsurvivor		#60	[-]
Posts: 8359 (10/20/09 5:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Maniacboy888 wrote: He should have known from Angie's Tc when it was a tie and Steph switched, im Sure Probst told them the tie breakers What are you talking about? There were ties at Angie and James's boots. He knew past votes weren't the tiebreaker and it would be some sort of challenge without a vote, the first and only tribal council in Survivor history. I was responding to GJ's claim that he still would have left. Had he known, things could have been different, just like Steph might not have changed her vote at the final 4 of Ulong.

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