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Maniacboy888 wrote:

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He joined the alliance of young guys that alienated themselves from the group and turned down an alliance with Sarge. Laid around and did nothing in camp to change his situation. Then on his boot he goes and targets Chad.

He was the one who made the alliance with Sarge to get Chris, Rory, Travis, and Chad out. Sarge was the one who turned that down, and I think if they would've done it like that, the guys would've won a whole lot more challenges, and possibly could've had all five of them in the merge. There was really nothing he could've done to change the situation after Sarge made the dumbest group alliance in the history of the show. He wasn't even vulnerable. I could see the other four going along with it, but Sarge was someone who they could've used in the challenges, and didn't really fit into the category of weak players in challenges, that the other four fit into. I'm kind of surprised he lasted as long as he did in that situation.

XtremeInnovator420 wrote:

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John K was the last young guy left because the older guys kept laughing at how stupid he was, and Chris wanted to make sure in case he was swapped into the minority tribe, he'd have someone who he could outlast. And THEN he turns into an even bigger idiot by targeting Chad at the last TC before the merge, and saying in his Final Words that he'd never have turned on the guys, even when he just had. Seriously, if John K goes instead of Brady (meaning for the sake of argument Brady gets John K's nuLopevi spot), then chances are the game's a hell of a lot different.

There's a reason John K. didn't go instead of Brady. You can say they were laughing at how stupid he was, but if they weren't stupid themselves, they would've taken him out instead of Brooke, or maybe right after him. They were the main two who got the numbers together to almost take out Chris. Targeting Chad was the best move because Chad, Chris, and Sarge were so close. If there was one more girl on that tribe it could've worked, and it would've changed the whole game. If he didn't target Chad, and one of the two girls went home, he would've been next anyway. Going after Chad was kind of a make or break move.

Dingo wrote:

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I'm pretty sure from interviews that Sarge went to align with the younger guys but they told him it was "too early to think about alliances" and they screwed themselves. Someone else want to give some info on this?

Go here: http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/1008?page=1

There's an interview with Chris where he talks all about it. Basically the four younger guys had an alliance about two minutes into the game, and they were so obvious about it that Sarge and the Fat Five had no choice but to band together for their own survival. Chris also called John K. the stupidest player in Vanuatu. I don't see any way how he could be considered underrated.

I don't think it makes sense for Sarge to do that. It's better to be on the outside of a strong alliance of five than a solid member of a weak alliance, likely to be picked off in the merge, which it was, so clearly I know what I'm talking about when I say that. He could've worked on moving up in the ranks later, like Erinn did in Tocantins. Chris may have called John stupid, but that whole alliance has been widely regarded as stupid by a whole lot of other viewers, not just me. I don't see how the only player on that tribe to have noticed what was going to happen to the guys was the stupidest. John was right. The girls were much better strategists than the guys. Chris only won because he was the weakest guy, so therefore the last one left in the final seven, and Twila knew what she needed to do. That move made by Twila took him all the way to the top three, that immunity took him to the top two, and bitterness made him win. I don't think a stupid player has any right to call someone else stupid.

XtremeInnovator420 wrote:

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You know, it's comments like that, that make Chris criminally underrated. He really DID play a really good game, and don't know how you can possibly say he played a bad one, and then argue John K of all people was underrated. Hm....we need Eliza on this, lol.

Eliza was a pretty good player too. She and John were on about the same level. She just didn't have idiots on her tribe. I think it's comments saying those two are not good, which show that they are underrated. I don't think Chris played a bad game, but I don't know if I would say he played a particularly good game either. Sarge was the one who orchestrated the old fat dude alliance anyway. Chris just went with it. He might've had some say in it, but Sarge was the main one who controlled it. In the merge, he really did just wait to see what other people would offer him. I'll admit he played it well socially so that they would want to align with him, but I really think he could've treated people like Russell does in his confessionals and they would still offer him those deals, because it was what would help them in the game. Even in the top 7 Twila had to practically reintroduce Chris to Eliza for him to know that she was who to get as the fourth person. Chris's one good move was the whole deal with Julie and Eliza, which prevented Eliza from flipping to allow Twila's final three to come through. For a winner though, one good move isn't really that great. He's lucky he had that jury, instead of the China jury or the the Micronesia jury, or any jury who voted on gameplay rather than bitterness.