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Posts: 64 (11/09/09 8:22 PM) |
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cindidindi76 |
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Posts: 20441 (11/10/09 2:36 PM) Registered User |
ilovekelly752 wrote: He very well may have come up with it if he didn't win, but there is no way in hell they would have done it. If he didn't have immunity, he would have been gone 3-1. The girls both liked Yul better, and Yul knew his chances of beating the girls were pretty damn good. Why anyone is wasting their time trying to debate this with someone who thinks John K was controlling Lopevi, I have no idea. |
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 300 (11/10/09 2:43 PM) |
cindidindi76 wrote: For one thing, I never said John K. controlled Lopevi, I said he got them to keep him over some of the others, which is true. If you want to call that controlling, then I guess in a way, he was. Second, there's no way to tell what they would've done if Ozzy didn't have immunity. They might've tried to keep their morals intact like they claimed to do the whole time, and do what they all said was fair. If Ozzy presented that idea, and they didn't do it, they wouldn't like how they would come off, just like how they never tried to get Yul's idol out, even when the opporutnities were perfect. |
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 WylDawg |
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Posts: 20859 (11/10/09 3:12 PM) Registered user |
Why would anyone say Boston Rob or Ozzy over Tom when Tom actually won?
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 303 (11/10/09 3:23 PM) |
WylDawg wrote: In my opinion, it takes more than strategy to win. Tom was better at challenges than Rob, and I think he needed the challenges more than Rob. I also think it takes luck. Tom was up against an easy person to beat, which was not someone he intended to be up against. Ian gave up his place in the game because Tom was mad at him. Tom was mad at him because Jenn turned them against each other. Jenn turned them against each other because Ian got the plan together to take out Gregg and Caryn, and got Katie away from Gregg and Jen so that they could do it. It was a string of events that led up to him winning, which he didn't cause. I think Rob strategized for himself, and he was the reason he made it to the end. In my opinion, he's the third best player ever, and the best to not win. |
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tomash |
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Posts: 1635 (11/10/09 3:55 PM) |
^Lol. Tom is a physical/social/strategical dilf god, and you just have to learn to deal with it.
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 305 (11/10/09 4:38 PM) |
tomash wrote: He even said at the reunion that he had no strategy. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Posts: 2408 (11/10/09 5:03 PM) Registered user |
1. I'm pretty sure he was either A. kidding, or B. saying he had no set strategy going into it so that he could be flexible. 2. I highly doubt Tom was
anywhere near as 'mad' as he was playing up. Tom had control of his tribe, and completely mindfucked Ian, that's all there really is necessary to
say.
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Lexxan |
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Posts: 139 (11/10/09 5:03 PM) |
1) Rob M
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 306 (11/10/09 5:15 PM) |
Lexxan wrote: I forgot about Rafe. I would put him second behind Rob. |
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Lexxan |
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Posts: 143 (11/10/09 5:15 PM) |
I was shocked nobody has mentionned my Top 5, save for Boston Rob oO???
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 307 (11/10/09 5:22 PM) |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: Ian controlled most of the eliminations, but more importantly, he came up with the plans to put themselves in the positions to control the eliminations. Tom's best move other than his main alliance, was to align with Caryn, which prevented the girls from voting him out in the top seven, but that was about it. Without Ian, Tom and Katie would not have even been in an alliance together. He played a better social game too. Katie, Caryn, and Coby would have voted for Ian to win, and other than Janu, the other three are a toss up.If Ian didn't make the mistake of targeting Tom before the immunity challenge, and practically quitting in the final three, Tom would not have won. He was a decent strategist, but my point is, it took a lot more than just strategy for him, which is not the case for Boston Rob, imo. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Posts: 2411 (11/10/09 5:36 PM) Registered user |
You're crazy if you think that Gregg/Caryn/Stephenie wouldn't have voted for Tom. Katie/Coby probably would have voted for Ian, yes, but Jenn and Janu
are tossups, so it's far from accurate to say "Tom would NOT have won".
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 308 (11/10/09 6:04 PM) |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: I didn't say he wouldn't have won. Well, maybe I did, but I don't remember saying that. If I did, I meant he probably wouldn't have won. I think Caryn would've vote for Ian. She was so mad at Tom for betraying her after she stuck by him in the final seven. She blamed that more on Tom than Ian. I think there's no way to know, and there's no way to know who Katie would've taken if she would've won immunity, or if Ian won and Jen didn't cause that whole fight. I think Rob is better because he had to make several alliances to make sure the target went off of himself, and caused fights and turned people against each other whenever he had a chance of going home. Tom could only do that once, and he didn't really have to do that much to get it accomplished. Caryn was loyal where the All Stars knew the game was about lying, so Rob had to do a lot more to keep them on his side than just make an alliance with them. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Posts: 2412 (11/10/09 6:25 PM) Registered user |
There was a discussion about who Caryn would have voted on the Palau dvd and pretty much every person doing commentary laughed at the thought of Caryn ever NOT
voting Tom, so that should say something.
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 310 (11/10/09 7:53 PM) |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: Maybe she would've. I just think Rob did more to get to that point than Tom. If Rob were just nicer to Alicia, Lex, and / or Tom, he probably would've won. That was his only mistake. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Posts: 2414 (11/10/09 8:38 PM) Registered user |
Uh...it was kind of, y'know, a constant mistake that he practically went out of his way to make.
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 311 (11/10/09 9:21 PM) |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: It's not like he just went up to them and was mean to them. It's just something he overlooked. You could argue that his other "only" mistake (since if he did this he wouldn't have to have been nice to anyone) was voting out Jenna in the top three. He knew it could've costed him the game, but he chose morals over the game, just like Colby, Rafe, and Ian. I think he would've won if he took Jenna, because he would've had Amber, Kathy, Shii-Ann, and possibly Rupert. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Posts: 2415 (11/10/09 9:38 PM) Registered user |
I'm pretty sure anyone in the f5 with the possible exception of Tom would have been able to beat Rob in the F2, especially Jenna if he voted out Amber.
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 312 (11/10/09 10:10 PM) |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote:In the reunion, they said they would've voted for Rob over Jenna. |
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