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WoodstockZ		#401	[-]
Posts: 743 (02/10/09 12:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ultimately, whatever nonsense they make up to explain the island, it is a character driven series and almost everyone still living is a murderer except Hurley who thinks he is.
aslanscubs		#402	[-]
Posts: 2002 (02/10/09 7:35 AM) MWV Champ and I get pecan pie! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I seem to remember Hurley being a murderer, too--remember when he drove the Dharma bus over that Other (Ryan)?
FeliciaM7		#403	[-]
Posts: 6732 (02/10/09 9:41 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jack's not a murderer. He put two 99% dead people out of their misery. (Libby, the marshall)
ANDand19		#404	[-]
Posts: 2982 (02/11/09 10:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	aslanscubs wrote: I seem to remember Hurley being a murderer, too--remember when he drove the Dharma bus over that Other (Ryan)? And 2 people died when he walked out on that thing which drove him to the mental institution. We still never got the story behind that, did we?
yoshi		#405	[-]
Posts: 1952 (02/14/09 10:25 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	aslanscubs wrote: <tangent>I can and will argue my same point. It was not their sexuality but their shame at doing what they were told not to do. They knew when they ate of the fruit they became aware of their sin--disobeying God. God has no problem with sexuality. Does "Be fruitful and multiply" ring a bell? You're trying to apply a literature metaphor to a theological fact.</tangent> They DIDN'T multiply until after the fall. Don't you recall your Christian mythology?
Joss Wolfe		#406	[-]
Posts: 1174 (02/14/09 10:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"They DIDN'T multiply until after the fall. Don't you recall your Christian mythology? " They had the freedom to multiply before the fall, its just that human eniquity is so high that they fell before they had a chance to multiply. And furthermore, its not Christian "Mythology." Its history.
bunner6	eden	#407	[-]
Posts: 85 (02/15/09 7:48 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	UM - No - Sexuality had absolutly NOTHING to do with the fall and getting kicked out of Eden... It was all about disobedience... (They were naked and unashamed before that Genesis says) - FYI - and Yoshi - Re=read Genesis - Dr. Gilbert Morris has some very intersting insights that may surprise you - Google Answers in Genesis... All of that aside - I DO believe LOST is combining lots of theological perspectives and mythology to mess with us Theres imagery everywhere... But the producers DID say all of this was scientifically explainable ... Can't wait to see what that explanation is!....
aslanscubs		#408	[-]
Posts: 2021 (02/16/09 6:45 PM) MWV Champ and I get pecan pie! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well at least Joss and bunner get what I was trying to say.
yoshi		#409	[-]
Posts: 1975 (02/16/09 9:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Joss Wolfe wrote: "They DIDN'T multiply until after the fall. Don't you recall your Christian mythology? " They had the freedom to multiply before the fall, its just that human eniquity is so high that they fell before they had a chance to multiply. And furthermore, its not Christian "Mythology." Its history. Please don't tell me you're a Biblical literalist. (And BTW--the definition of mythology is "a set of stories, traditions, or beliefs associated with a particular group or the history of an event, arising naturally or deliberately fostered". So mythology is certainly the correct term.) Also: in the story of Genesis, after Eve ate the fruit, god said to her "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and they desire shall be to thy husband. . ." How is this to be interpreted other than as sexual desire? Last Edited By: yoshi 02/16/09 9:18 PM. Edited 2 times.
FeliciaM7		#410	[-]
Posts: 6796 (02/17/09 12:28 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Just wanted to say for the record, Jack hasn't murdered anyone, not even in self-defense. He put the marshall and Libby out of misery because they were thisclose to dying. That is all.
bunner6	not everything is sexual	#411	[-]
Posts: 88 (02/17/09 10:15 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yoshi..... Here we go... If you go back to the original language (Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic) - the phrase" she will desire her husband" - actually means that she will desire to RULE over him or overtake him - Its not sexual - But hey - if you need to take everything sexually - have at it -:) - Oh - and yes - There are quite a bit of us who are bible literalists... (I wasnt always- but studying actually made me moreso...) As far as LOST goes - I still am very curious to see who A & E turn out to be.. If its "them" at all... And I dont thnk sex has anything to do with it :)
yoshi		#412	[-]
Posts: 1978 (02/18/09 3:50 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	bunner, if you are as much of a biblical scholar as you claim, you know that interpretation is hardly uninversally accepted. And, to return this conversation to relevance to the thread: The person who orginally started off this discussion noted that much of Western literature has adopted the fall=sexuality meme. That is indisputable. Perhaps the Lost writers have as well.
bunner6		#413	[-]
Posts: 92 (02/23/09 3:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yoshi - True - People interpret everything differently - even truth - I respect that -although I disagree - I do wonder why you think the Western world seem to link sex with the fall - I wasnt brought up that way at all - and Im as "western" as they come - Either way - I doubt SERIOUSLY that Lost writers have alluded to the link between sexuality and the fall at all... I think their use of sex is purely for ratings :) - As is ALL shows.... I think any mention of A & E is more regarding the beginning of TIME (maybe they skip all the way to "the biginning"...- hence the theme of this whole show... along with faith vs science... ALL of that to say - While I obviously disagree with you Yoshi, I respect your opinion... even if its wrong :p Enjoy the Lost ride folks - We'll blink and it will be over!!
swennader		#414	[-]
Posts: 163 (02/24/09 2:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	FeliciaM7 wrote: Just wanted to say for the record, Jack hasn't murdered anyone, not even in self-defense. He put the marshall and Libby out of misery because they were thisclose to dying. That is all. OK, attempted murderer (or was that someone else's surprised face when the gun he put to unarmed Locke's head didn't go off)? Yay -- all murderers again. Except Walt and, so far, Rose.
stacy1201		#415	[-]
Posts: 280 (02/25/09 9:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I've been wondering for a while if Alpert is in the same shoes as Christian and Locke (figuratively speaking, although Locke literally is in Christian's shoes). A friend of mine had the theory that the 'island' uses bodies on the island kindof like a host.... Because of Yemi's conversation with Mr. Eko, when he said "why do you talk to me as if I am your brother?," the theory even went so far as to say that the conversations are not the actual person's thoughts, but the islands (tonight's episode seemed to disprove that part with Locke). Anyways, this could explain why Alpert would be so old, what the deal with Claire was, and the whole situation with Locke. Maybe that's why the others weren't flashing through time but Juliet was. Last Edited By: stacy1201 02/26/09 6:28 AM. Edited 1 times.
reggierules		#416	[-]
Posts: 2226 (03/03/09 9:42 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I do wonder why you think the Western world seem to link sex with the fall - I wasnt brought up that way at all - and Im as "western" as they come The way you phrase that suggests it's some odd thing for Yoshi to make that link. Nearly every literary critic who has ever commented on the subject of sexuality and Biblical allusion refers to sexuality and the fall and their very intertwined duality. It is one of the most secure archetypes in our culture. If you want to argue that it's built on half-truths, have at it. But to argue that it isn't a theme of Western Culture is like arguing Christianity hasn't impacted the way our world works. And in the case that "literature only" is brought up again, this theme can be seen in the social sciences, philosophy, anthropology and even some of the psuedo-sciences like psychology. And, in what you've said yourself, you've mentioned this theme: (They were naked and unashamed before that Genesis says) So...that follows that after they were ashamed...of what? Their bodies. Why? Because of their sexuality. They certainly weren't ashamed of their bodies because of Eve's cellulite and Adam's undescended testicle.
Toilet Water		#417	[-]
Posts: 953 (03/06/09 9:35 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Don't hate on Adam just because he only had one nut. That's racist.
Manila ESQ		#418	[-]
Posts: 185 (03/11/09 3:17 PM) Osten Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Joss Wolfe wrote: "They DIDN'T multiply until after the fall. Don't you recall your Christian mythology? " They had the freedom to multiply before the fall, its just that human eniquity is so high that they fell before they had a chance to multiply. And furthermore, its not Christian "Mythology." Its history. The story of the Creation is mythology, not history. Ask any Bible expert.
PoChop		#419	[-]
Posts: 1903 (03/11/09 10:24 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	On a probably completely unrelated note... I ran across the name Frank Hurley. He was born in the 19th century and died around 1960. Anyway, he was an explorer/photographer and did work in WWI, Egypt, Papa New Guinea, and all that kind of stuff. He was also in the ill-fated Shackleton Antarctic expedition where it took them a few years to be rescued after their ship got trapped and crushed in ice. The links to Egypt and Antarctica peaked my interest considering they are elements in the show. It made me wonder if they could do something crazy with characters in the show and possibly separate them at the end of the show by sending them all back to different times in the past where the island might need them to go to set the foundation for discovering the island or correcting the universe. I could see Hurley being sent back and taking up an assumed (yet familiar) name to do something he needed to do to help his friends in the future, but I sort of doubt the writers would leverage actual history to this extent in the mystique of the show. One story that struck me as funny was when (Frank) Hurley landed a seaplane on a lake in New Guinea and was met by a native tribe that had not had contact with the outside world. The natives were obviously impressed by the man and the great flying Hurley "bird" he arrived in. Everyday the natives would take canoes out to Hurley and his plane and sacrifice a pig to the plane and a chicken to Hurley, so I guess they thought they were gods of one sort or another and didn't seem to distinguish the plane as being a mechanical contrivance but a real living entity.
bunner6	get back to LOST	#420	[-]
Posts: 95 (03/12/09 4:58 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PoChop - Great info about the "HurleyBird" - I love how they can incorperate so much in this show! Brilliant! Tough crowd here - OK - Can we agree to disagree on the fall/shame of sexuality / Chritianity/ history vs mythology. (btw - They were ashamed of THEIR SIN - and their nakedness of thier soul was demonstrated by their physical nakedness - Some of us ARE Bible "experts" ..and still BELIEVE its all true... (and I didnt believe until I was older).. - Seriously - The unbelievers here will not be won over with arguments - these are matters of the heart (although the science behind creation and Biblical HISTORY is amazing!!) Read "Darwin's Black Box" - by a NON Christian Scientist... Soooo... Lets all hold hands and sing Kum Baya.. LOL - OK - Lets not - Seriously - Can we get back to discussing LOST here?????

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