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Cassidy666		#681	[-]
Posts: 9190 (12/02/08 9:53 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strange. I loved this episode. Anytime the focus is on Cameron it's fascinating. I liked how the pieces fell into place regarding the mystery. Another interesting look at the time travel aspect of the concept.
tmtomhJanet		#682	[-]
Posts: 264 (12/02/08 4:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Screerider wrote: I'm pretty sure everytime someone goes into the past, their future stops existing, only to be replaced by a very similar one, only it's one where they existed in the past as well. And every change made by the time traveler is reflected in the future instantly and continuously. Traveling into the future will then take you to whatever future exists at the moment you go forward. Which would suck, then, to have someone from that future go back to the interim time (from where you left the past and ended up in the future) and wipe out the future you went to. Then you're probably toast. And I say "probably", because there's a chance they'd go with the idea that the future would change "around" you as the past gets changed, or perhaps automatically re-doing your future time travel as if you'd gone into the changed future and realigning your actions and memories to match the new future. Thanks - I have a headache now. Ouch!
Screerider		#683	[-]
Posts: 23133 (12/02/08 4:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mikeonfilm wrote: But given how Derek and Jesse had to wrap their head around the concept that his memories and hers didn't match up I have to ask myself if they - all the people from the future - have EVER seen anything change or is it only when you've jumped backward that you see the differences. The peeps in the future could tell if differences occurred, because they'd be able to look back at what the Time Travelers did in the past. They wouldn't know what it changed from, though. "Derek went back and killed that guy." "Huh, I wonder why..." When they defeat SkyNet, the Rebel future will not happen, and there won't be any congratulatory call from the future thanking all involved for saving Humanity. Our heroes been trying so hard to keep the existence of Terminators and SkyNet a secret, that it may backfire. Some idiot in the now saved future may be so oblivious to what actually happened, he'll think, "Hey, we need a supercomputer in charge of this shit..." and SkyNet is reborn. And the Connors look at each other and say, "Here we go again!" Will be watching last night's episode tonight.
StarRider		#684	[-]
Posts: 19700 (12/02/08 6:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I enjoyed last night's episode. The banter between Cameron and the wheelchair guy was good. As far as time travel goes i've long since stopped trying to wrap my brain around it.
Cassidy666		#685	[-]
Posts: 9192 (12/02/08 8:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Heroes writers need to get a clue from this show on how to write inventive and fascinating stories. This second season has been nothing but amazing. I don't think I've seen this much varying of the storytelling formula from episode to episode as in most other shows.
Piranhahaha		#686	[-]
Posts: 11429 (12/02/08 11:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I liked the ep, too. Any Cameron or Summer Glau-centri ep is always going to fine by me though. I thought they established earlier that it takes hibernating terminators longer than that to spool up though. I was thinking about the time travel disucssion above once I realized what was going on -- Cameron icing the T-888 cuts off a future event, the death of the future governor, that presumably the terminator home office was counting on. Riley's a skank ho who needs to go. I can't believe she swiped the lighter, putting John Connor at risk. She's in on the plan to protect him after all.
pussycow		#687	[-]
Posts: 3701 (12/03/08 7:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Piranhahaha wrote: Riley's a skank ho who needs to go. I can't believe she swiped the lighter, putting John Connor at risk. She's in on the plan to protect him after all. Where do you get that idea? We have no idea what her and Jesse (is that her name?) are up to. Jesse keeps lying to Derek so there is definitely something weird going on.
Screerider		#688	[-]
Posts: 23138 (12/03/08 12:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was sorta hoping the Terminator would be the California Governor. Oh well. Also, I thought I read a synopsis or something that said a Terminator sent to the wrong time changes history... but it seems he was always there, well, at least from our heroes' point-of-view, since Cameron knew about the assassination. Would have helped with our "do they know when changes happen" discussion. Didn't quite get the Riley plotline. Why get John into a fist fight? To make out with him in the car later? Dunno. Cancer guy... similar head-scratcher there. It seemed that perhaps the experience made Cameron more "friendly"? But I kinda figured she really only offered the new girl the donuts so she could maintain her access to the library. Still, it was an enjoyable episode, mostly due to the cool 20's setting. Was it really just a coincidence that the building guy's son just happened to be killed at the speakeasy?
Kunron		#689	[-]
Posts: 532 (12/03/08 3:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Didn't quite get the Riley plotline. Why get John into a fist fight? To make out with him in the car later? Dunno. Me neither Cancer guy... similar head-scratcher there. It seemed that perhaps the experience made Cameron more "friendly"? But I kinda figured she really only offered the new girl the donuts so she could maintain her access to the library. I think they wanted to show us she lied when Sarah asked her if she could detect tumors in season one. Still, it was an enjoyable episode, mostly due to the cool 20's setting. Was it really just a coincidence that the building guy's son just happened to be killed at the speakeasy? I also loved watching it. Cameron really makes this show work.
mikeonfilm		#690	[-]
Posts: 1613 (12/03/08 4:20 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Was it really just a coincidence that the building guy's son just happened to be killed at the speakeasy? Must've been since he spent the next eighty years trying to correct the mistake. What I want to know is if Cameron is deliberately keeping the three star thing from Sarah or if she just doesn't realize the connection.
Goosehead		#691	[-]
Posts: 1326 (12/03/08 4:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Screerider wrote: Cancer guy... similar head-scratcher there. It seemed that perhaps the experience made Cameron more "friendly"? But I kinda figured she really only offered the new girl the donuts so she could maintain her access to the library. I interpretted that relationship as manipulating the viewer into thinking that Cameron was perhaps developing human 'feelings' toward the wheelchair guy, which was then shown to be completely false when she immediately offered the donuts to the new girl. I think that's a good recurring theme they can play with because as viewers, in a way, we're conditioned to that sort of 'robots-become-like-humans' narrative in other movies/shows (e.g., BSG). I hope they will keep us in a constant state of guessing in this regard, only to end with the obvious: she is a machine and there is no possibility of her ever developing human emotions.
pussycow		#692	[-]
Posts: 3710 (12/03/08 4:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Speaking of the three dot/star thing, didn't anyone else think of Terminator the other night when this celestial event was going on? granted it was inverted in the Northern Hemisphere
Piranhahaha		#693	[-]
Posts: 11431 (12/03/08 5:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pussycow wrote: Piranhahaha wrote: Riley's a skank ho who needs to go. I can't believe she swiped the lighter, putting John Connor at risk. She's in on the plan to protect him after all. Where do you get that idea? We have no idea what her and Jesse (is that her name?) are up to. Jesse keeps lying to Derek so there is definitely something weird going on. I deduce that from the sequence where Jesse met with Riley in secret in the dressing room of the clothing store & Riley was all "I can't do this anymore" and Jesse was all "You have to," which leads me to believe that Riley's somehow an agent of Jesse's and is under orders to keep tabs on John, and possibly to help destroy Cameron. Now whether she was recruited in the present day, is a rebel sent back from the future, or maybe even a terminator herself I dunno. But whatever else is going on, she's part of the forces on the ground in the present day to make sure he doesn't get his dumbass self killed. Swiping that lighter and setting up the fight with the chucklehead throwing the party runs contrary to that mission. What if chuckles landed a lucky punch or had a switchblade?
pussycow		#694	[-]
Posts: 3716 (12/03/08 7:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Piranhahaha wrote: pussycow wrote: Piranhahaha wrote: Riley's a skank ho who needs to go. I can't believe she swiped the lighter, putting John Connor at risk. She's in on the plan to protect him after all. Where do you get that idea? We have no idea what her and Jesse (is that her name?) are up to. Jesse keeps lying to Derek so there is definitely something weird going on. I deduce that from the sequence where Jesse met with Riley in secret in the dressing room of the clothing store & Riley was all "I can't do this anymore" and Jesse was all "You have to," which leads me to believe that Riley's somehow an agent of Jesse's and is under orders to keep tabs on John, and possibly to help destroy Cameron. Now whether she was recruited in the present day, is a rebel sent back from the future, or maybe even a terminator herself I dunno. But whatever else is going on, she's part of the forces on the ground in the present day to make sure he doesn't get his dumbass self killed. Swiping that lighter and setting up the fight with the chucklehead throwing the party runs contrary to that mission. What if chuckles landed a lucky punch or had a switchblade? Right, but nowhere in that exchange was it revealed that they were there to protect John. We don't know what their mission is, just that they are in cahoots on something that invovles John. Personally, I think they are up to no good.
2old4MTV		#695	[-]
Posts: 1370 (12/03/08 7:17 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Piranhahaha wrote: I deduce that from the sequence where Jesse met with Riley in secret in the dressing room of the clothing store & Riley was all "I can't do this anymore" and Jesse was all "You have to," which leads me to believe that Riley's somehow an agent of Jesse's and is under orders to keep tabs on John, and possibly to help destroy Cameron. Now whether she was recruited in the present day, is a rebel sent back from the future, or maybe even a terminator herself I dunno. I think she's from the future because she said something weird in the dressing room like "Have you noticed there are a lot of mirrors in this world?" As if she's from a world where all the mirrors are broken or something.
Piranhahaha		#696	[-]
Posts: 11432 (12/03/08 7:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pussycow wrote: Piranhahaha wrote: pussycow wrote: Piranhahaha wrote: Riley's a skank ho who needs to go. I can't believe she swiped the lighter, putting John Connor at risk. She's in on the plan to protect him after all. Where do you get that idea? We have no idea what her and Jesse (is that her name?) are up to. Jesse keeps lying to Derek so there is definitely something weird going on. I deduce that from the sequence where Jesse met with Riley in secret in the dressing room of the clothing store & Riley was all "I can't do this anymore" and Jesse was all "You have to," which leads me to believe that Riley's somehow an agent of Jesse's and is under orders to keep tabs on John, and possibly to help destroy Cameron. Now whether she was recruited in the present day, is a rebel sent back from the future, or maybe even a terminator herself I dunno. But whatever else is going on, she's part of the forces on the ground in the present day to make sure he doesn't get his dumbass self killed. Swiping that lighter and setting up the fight with the chucklehead throwing the party runs contrary to that mission. What if chuckles landed a lucky punch or had a switchblade? Right, but nowhere in that exchange was it revealed that they were there to protect John. We don't know what their mission is, just that they are in cahoots on something that invovles John. Personally, I think they are up to no good. OK good point. Well, we do know that at least Jesse says she's there to send Cameron to the nearest smelting facility. Maybe she's lying, but I don't think so. Still, they're both definitely there to change something in the future in favor of the rebellion. And if they're there to protect future John from future Cameron, wouldn't they also be there to protect present day John? I think the deviousness lies in the disconnect between Jesse's future, where Cameron was Kissinger to John's Nixon circa 1974, rather than Derek's, where John will be a Washington-class rebel badass hero. 2old4MTV wrote: I think she's from the future because she said something weird in the dressing room like "Have you noticed there are a lot of mirrors in this world?" As if she's from a world where all the mirrors are broken or something. Yeah that's where I'm leaning, too. Still there's enough of a present day backstory to her with the foster parents and so forth to establish that's she's been in the present day for most of her life -- remember her outburst that the world is going to end and how freaked the foster family became? Maybe they figured out how to shoot a poor woebegone present day teen into the future? (And wheeeeee! I love the quote function!) Whatever else is going on, my original comment remains: she's a skank ho. And needs to go.
Tekstyle		#697	[-]
Posts: 97 (12/07/08 1:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	2old4MTV wrote: Piranhahaha wrote: I deduce that from the sequence where Jesse met with Riley in secret in the dressing room of the clothing store & Riley was all "I can't do this anymore" and Jesse was all "You have to," which leads me to believe that Riley's somehow an agent of Jesse's and is under orders to keep tabs on John, and possibly to help destroy Cameron. Now whether she was recruited in the present day, is a rebel sent back from the future, or maybe even a terminator herself I dunno. I think she's from the future because she said something weird in the dressing room like "Have you noticed there are a lot of mirrors in this world?" As if she's from a world where all the mirrors are broken or something. Why from the future though?
DownUpside		#698	[-]
Posts: 126 (12/07/08 7:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think the more telling proof that Riley is from the future is when she went off on her foster family. She got fed up with their petty squabbles and yelled at them that they were all dead. When she regained her self control, she appologized and tried to blow it off. I saw it as a momentary loss of the role whe was sent back to play (the role of non-time-travelling teenager) when she slipped into her real persona of "I'm from the future and can tell you all that you need to put these unimportant disagreements aside".
pussycow		#699	[-]
Posts: 3734 (12/07/08 11:42 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ Well that could just be cos she knows about Judgement Day, not necessarily that she is from the future. Sarah has gone on similar rants (in the movies) Tekstyle wrote: 2old4MTV wrote: Piranhahaha wrote: I deduce that from the sequence where Jesse met with Riley in secret in the dressing room of the clothing store & Riley was all "I can't do this anymore" and Jesse was all "You have to," which leads me to believe that Riley's somehow an agent of Jesse's and is under orders to keep tabs on John, and possibly to help destroy Cameron. Now whether she was recruited in the present day, is a rebel sent back from the future, or maybe even a terminator herself I dunno. I think she's from the future because she said something weird in the dressing room like "Have you noticed there are a lot of mirrors in this world?" As if she's from a world where all the mirrors are broken or something. Why from the future though? Everybody knows all the mirrors are broken in the future ;-)
DownUpside		#700	[-]
Posts: 127 (12/07/08 12:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	pussycow wrote: ^ Well that could just be cos she knows about Judgement Day, not necessarily that she is from the future. Sarah has gone on similar rants (in the movies) Sarah has gone on similar rants (in the movies), but she had actual proof of the future awaiting them (having to run from terminators trying to kill her and all). One of Sarah's biggest problems was always getting others to believe. What would be Riley's reason to believe so terrible a fate without some kind of proof? Most teenagers I know are too busy believing the world revolves around them, they are invincible, and that they know way much more than the average adult to buy into the possibility of a future where computers take over and build terminators to exterminate humans. She just doesn't strike me as the kind to readily put on a tin foil hat and run around thinking the end of the world is on its way.

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