just editing to add; I bet it means a lot to those women to see that Oprah is interested. I know we like to bash on her but, I will guarantee she will be doing some powerful work associated with the tragedy.
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MsJulieR |
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Hot dog, I don't get her until 3pm here in L.A.
just editing to add; I bet it means a lot to those women to see that Oprah is interested. I know we like to bash on her but, I will guarantee she will be doing some powerful work associated with the tragedy. |
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2manypixiestix |
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I knew she'd be there.
Dr Phil beat her to the refugees though. |
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PAPAYOKE |
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Oprah > Dr. Phil.
I've mailed my panties to Oprah, not Dr. Ill. |
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MsJulieR |
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Sad show. The people were glad to see her.
When she went into the Super Dome, it brought home the horror these poor people went thru. Faith Hill loaded up several semi's full of supplies. But, I get concerned for the stars that seem to be there for photo op ie Tavolta, Jamie Fox, Lisa Marie Presley, Julia Roberts. Oprah was there a week and there's another show tomorrow. |
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j5780p |
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I think O's a bit of a disingenuous hag at times, but today's show was some good, powerful stuff. I didn't doubt O's tears were real today.
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GlamsSlam |
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Quote: Say WHAT? Why must I apologize for a natural disaster followed by the ineptitude of local,state and national governmental officials who failed to take appropriate steps prior, during and following this natural disaster. While my parents frequently felt I was to blame from everything to their disasterous union to the state of the world, thanks to people like Oprah and Dr. Phil I have come to realize that my boundries of personal responsibility extend only to me. Had I lived in New Orleans or that region and been in a position of responsibility either for myself or my neighbors or my community and I elected to ignore that responsibility and run like hell without looking back then maybe, and then only maybe do I owe someone/anyone an apology. And while I appreciate the sincerity of her desire to assist and draw attention to the issue, especially the term refugee which is of some debate - I think Oprah should do what she does best and just give them free stuff. The woman has enough homes.. one in Colorado, one super large McMansion in Monticito, a home in Florida and a condo in Chicago, I suspect she could easily house several survivor families without even ever running into them. And why can't any celebrity manage to do simple altruistic works without the requesite camera and news crew to document their doings. Oh that's right then it would be well altruistic instead of being good public relations linked to good public acts. Tom Cruise must be furious that he had to film MI-3 and miss this Scientology moment in the sun. Shame the families who aren't well famous aren't covered in the media for their taking in families... but they are too fucking busy extending their mac n' cheese dinners to feed their newly extended households call a press conference. Maybe Natalie Hollaway's mother could help them with that since she had to wrap up her "search" as she is no longer front page news.... |
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MsJulieR |
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The one thing that I got out of her visits was that it meant a lot to those people. And, I'm sure she will donate much money.
I agree about photo-ops. But, they did go down there. I am more fed-up with the richest artists going on TV and singing a song and feel they did a part. Cut a fucking check already. the richest baseball player donated $20,000. Wow, I'm impressed. BTW, I just saw today that Oprah's new season officially starts on the 19th so, she can still bring up Hermes. Does she have the nerve?? |
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GlamsSlam |
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If that bitch brings up the humiliation that was Hermes I will demand an official apology to America.
It was interesting listening to some famous New Orleans residents complain about the attention given to those who no longer live there and haven't for years...and lord forbid Richard Simmons was quite the tool.. and couldn't he put on some clothes for this? And the meltdown of Celine Dion on Larry King was bizzare on two counts: One. She is Canadian Two: She is Canadian Then we have the Oprah posse full of primarily Scientologists and an interior designer.. who at least had survived the fucking tsunami so he actually made sense along with the heart surgeon... I really wonder how important or significant Travolta was in passing out supplies or Jamie Fox driving a pallet truck for an hour to show he was "real" was in fact necessary. Thankfully there are REAL people who came on their own dime, via their own transportation and without their "personal photographer" to do this harrowing work and they will be staying longer than the photo op. As much as I find news becoming more Infotaninment than Informative I still prefer Anderson Cooper's meltdowns, Scarborough's turning against Bush and a few other credible reporters over the antics of those who seem to make it more about them... Geraldo anyone? But Howard Stern is right..a great deal of America refuse to watch, listen or even read news so Opah is their largest source of information. That is a real tragedy. |
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yelluwskys |
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Oh Please! Like that bitch really cares! ALL SHE CARES IS ABOUT HER SHOW! HOW TO BENEFIT HER SHOW FROM THIS DISASTER!
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MMMadcow |
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Quote: I'd prefer he'd meltdown on me. Ahem. Back to Oprah. No really, go ahead. |
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Teeanday |
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Quote: I thought harpo was big into reading, she should try a dictionary once in awhile: refugee n : an exile who flees for safety |
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bittergrapes |
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I caught the last half or so of Oprah's Katrina shows, and I have two things to vent:
1. Lucy Ling? Lisa Lu? Whatever her name is--the Asian woman who used to work on The View--had the nerve to say at the end of her piece something like, "I can't help but wonder if this would have happened in an affluent white community?" and then of course didn't clarify or offer any kind of evidence to support her accusation. What about an affluent black community? or an affluent Asian community? or an affluent Muslim community? It was making me sick that we kept seeing over and over and over on Oprah's very own footage the tremendous outpouring of compassion and aid from WHITE people. If they're trying to make a jab at specific gov't officials, then have the balls to say it outright but don't you dare try to suggest that Americans don't care about the New Orleans evacuees (who just happen to be 68% African-American). You're calling someone racist and I want to know who you think it is, Oprah . . . is it your viewers? or do you have a political agenda that you're trying to be sneaky about? 2) I had a real problem with that family that Oprah herself was interviewing--they were hysterically describing the line of young men who were raping little girls when they went into the bathrooms and talking about kids being murdered inside. I thought at the time it sounded like nonsense, and of course Oprah didn't ask any further questions. The people were shouting at the end, "It happened, Oprah! It happened!" I just listened with my own ears to a BLACK sheriff in NO who was in charge of going through the convention center and dome, and they did not find a single corpse of a child. And he said they have not been able to confirm a single case of sexual assault. Oh, there are plenty of rumors, but noone saw anything firsthand and no victims have come forward. It's major urban legend syndrome with some of these stories, and Oprah who was conducting the interview herself did a major disservice to her viewers by letting that go out on the airwaves without a shred of proof or a second source to support it. It only adds to to misconceptions about the whole situation. I resent Oprah trying to manipulate me with her thinly veiled opinions re racism and politics. There's a black family who has relocated to my hometown and they've given some interesting interviews about their stay at the superdome (surprise, surprise, none of them were raped, none of them saw anyone getting raped, and they had MREs to eat). They were scared and miserable to be sure, but they hung in there and made it through this catastrophe. They got out of NO, out of the next shelter, the kids are now in school, mom just got a new job, and they're getting ready to move in to an apartment--all thanks to the kindness of strangers. Go USA! |
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GervaseRules |
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Quote: Just because they didn't see/hear anyone being raped, doesn't mean it isn't happening. |
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StarrEise |
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Quote: Yeah. Woo hoo. We're frickin' great. |
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ksolitaire |
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Quote: Nice to see I wasn't alone in thinking along the same line. Doesn't the man own ANY normal clothing? What kills me is that they are forcing people out of NO at gunpoint, but yet attention-seeking-celebrity-hags like Simmons is allowed to go in there and weep up and down the street like they had lost everything. People that actually have real homes there are told they can't even go IN to check anything. Heck, I have a friend that lives there... she doesn't know when she and her family will be allowed back in to check to see what has become of their house. Perhaps if she donned agym shorts, a sparkly tank top and danced around flaming like Richard Simmsons, she could get in? doubt it... she isn't famous. About Oprah: I saw the 2 shows... they were very moving... though the celebrity postering before the camera by some of the stars that she had on there, was rather obvious. Just because a person is a celebrity doesn't make their time spent helping the victims more important than us non-celebrity types that have given of our time and money. But then again, most of us non-celebrity types refuse to bank on the pain of the victims, in an attempt to make ourselves look good. |
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Will |
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1. Lucy Ling? Lisa Lu? Whatever her name is--the Asian woman who used to work on The View--[/quote] Lisa Ling |
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GlamsSlam |
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Many years ago when I was in college I took a Philosophy course where we discussed and debated the meaning of the word altruism. As defined: Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness.
The Professor believed that no such thing existed as the fact is that true altruism comes without strings, emotions or any other extraneous baggage tied to the gift. There is no such thing as "selflessness". I would have to agree... especially now with the fact that with the media age the need to be recognized at some level for your generosity negates the act of selflessness. But on that count and the idea that as Americans we owe the victims of Katrina an apology is in fact inherently wrong. We as Americans owe them well really nothing because ostensibly we pay our taxes and assume the government will utilize those monies as they see fit...I am not sure how we as Americans owe Americans anything more than compliance with the laws in America..nationality should not dictate our loyalites, at least exclusively. We certainly donate to charities outside of America and should we discontinue this practice because we now "realize" that people in America have it bad? But as Humans we owe them everything. Just by the simple fact that by looking at the word Humanitarian we are all humans and at some level we are all devoted to the promotion of human welfare. Isn't that our responsibility as humans? And by the fact that we share this we each other we can at any level or means provide that support - be in in prayer should we believe, in the dollar or in the goods or services we donate. We all can at some place do something for the good of others and yes it will make us feel better and that is well okay - we should not however be motivated solely by that need to feel better or superior or alievate guilt. With Oprah and her Scientology posse I do raise the question that while the act is appreciated their is in fact always a secondary measure behind her generosity... I mean just the fact that often her acts of kindness are the subjects and sole contents of her show - a show which earns her millions of dollars...so it cannot be always from the good of her heart as very little of her philanthropy is done off camera. As for the sensationlism that seems to accompany these disasters - today on 9/11 I recall the horror of those planes and the faces of those who held pictures, who had survived running away, who managed to get out and attempt to tell their story, and of the shock and awe that dominated our society still today. Those photos and those hundreds of eulogies that I read in the NY Times still remind me of people I would never know or would never care about but still shared with me that common factor that we are all "human". As Katrina comes to its boiling point we will have those stories and those survivor horrors which to live with - some will be geniune some will not. There will be those who use this as an opportunity to exploit.. they did with 9/11 (only last week they audited the loans made to businesses for relief and found several made to Quiznos shops in Utah... really how were they affected by 9/11?) and people who will exaggerate the facts as a means of validating thier survival or excusing their behavior.. not helping others, looting, even standing by while these rapes and assaults occurred. Certainly if they did witness this they will have to live with their conscience for the rest of their lives and their shame they did nothing. And the media will go away and back to their stories on white women killed by white guys or talking heads talking about nothing. And while I will take any opportunity to bash Oprah over the head with an Hermes Birkin bag I cannot solely blame Oprah for inventing the medium of exploiting the emotions of a story although she has perfected it. She is no less guilty of not asking probing questions, of follow up for details or even getting valid second opinions - they all do it. Barbara Walters anyone??? I saw Soledad O'Brien interview a man who claimed to be rescued from his apartment and yet apparently no one else in the apt was rescued other than his grandma.. but with him he had perfectly intact photos of his entire family and friends - it was like an MCI commercial and he showed the lot, identifying them and some were from Virginia - so were they there too? ... she never asked if they were the ones in the apt, how he managed to get the pics or why he was rescued and the others not... I doubt we will ever know to what extent what horrors ocurred in that Convention Center or the Superdome - there can be no one "story" which captures all what each of those people saw, experienced or felt. The New Orleans Police have confirmed violence had occurred and that in fact the second in command was nearly kidnapped in the convention center... so it had to be pretty fucking scary. When I saw the Economist cover this week - The Shaming of America - I wasn't sure what I was ashamed of... the lack of the response, the ill planning and handling or the fact that people acted crazy and did crazy things.. but then again this was well crazy. The stories of this hurricane will be like 9/11, we will have to take our time have some distance and more than likely have numerous sources on which to base our thoughts and find our "facts." But something tells me Oprah will not be one of my sources. |
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bumber26 |
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oh man, did anyone catch the first episode of this new season?
after a staggeringly boring interview where Oprah facilitated Jennifer Aniston to talk for 20 minutes without saying anything substantial, she brings out the CEO of Hermes. but this was the interesting part... she then went into full fledge damage control about the incident, defending herself against the, obviously unexpected, backlash of people who think she is totally full of it and needs to step off her pedestal. and the CEO? simply there to agree to Oprah's version of events and agree that she did not act like a diva. i hadn't realized the extent of the backlash for her to have to dedicate 20 minutes of her season opening show to that fiasco. must be the first time in a long time that she hit a sour note with the public and watching her backpedal was fucking priceless. i am also now thoroughly convinced that Gayle is her lover and they use the best friends angle to hide the truth to their relationship. |
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MsJulieR |
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I watched about 2 minutes of Aniston and thought who cares.
I didn't think she would have the bloody nerve to bring up Hermes with all that's going on but, I was wrong. Guess I'll have to tape the late night repeat. A couple weeks ago Dorothy on Good Day LA reported that O might leave her show to Gayle when she finally retires. This reminds me of Rosie leaving her show to Carolyn Rhea and she just buried it. It was on during the night in LA. Same thing will happen to Oprah's show. |
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bumber26 |
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one more thing worth noting: she is hyping her brand new studio set... which is HORRIBLE. looks like something on American Idol. its like electric ice blue, which is bizarre when you consider that she should be trying to create an "intimate" vibe between her, the guests, and the studio audience.
i can't really figure out how she approved these changes unless she's planning to change the format of her shows. i was always straddling the Oprah hate bandwagon, but now i am feverishly on. hope she burns. |
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