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02/17/12 02:28 AM
CUBic Zirconiyum wrote:
It definitely makes me raise an eyebrow, but I'm still just not seeing how he sabotages. On the other hand, I don't really see him help the group. In my Mole Notes™, he's the most neutral of the remaining 5.
Well as for Mole actions by Tim I suppose this is harder to determine in some respects by the way challenges have been set up.I'll try give an overview hopefully without too much tunnel vision. I really do think these events are corroborated by facts as they were presented to us sofar in the series.
Episode 1:He found his own tube and helped William get another (without money or with -€500? - at any rate it seems helpful,but nothing was earned).He was (accidentally) paired up with the person having found the exemptions (Frits), so all he needed to dowas try to make it to the other side of the bridge to not earn them €1000. Which he did.Shooter would have been easier but this wasn't something he would have been in control of, in a sense.
Episode 2:The stairs, difficult to say who sabotaged what. Possibly Anne-Marie and William's answers led to the biggest discrepancy.One of them wasn't the Mole. Not sure why the Mole would want to arrive at the top of the stairs and draw attention to themselvesin that way when the challenge could have failed at any point.
The jeeps/writing challenge I think went wrong because of Liesbeth and Tim mainly.I've made an analysis of this so if you want to read it let me know. :-)Basically it boils down to there being an overlap between the courses of the two cars at the diagonal of the N in 'Viking'.Liesbeth screwed up the N bit (making it way too thin/short where it should have had an overlap - by accident this turned out tobe a readible N because the other car screwed up too ;-)).Tim then took over the wheels as far as we can tell and set in the lower part of the 'K'which they were supposed to make, way too early.The result was that the VI (made by the other car) were ok, the N was too (by both cars screwing up basically) but the rest was totallyunreadible because the lower half of the K and consequently all the rest of the car Liesbeth and Tim were in (Right car) was uncoordinated.
It's hard to tell who did what wrong here, and it was difficult to get this one anyway.But the Mole would have known that the N-overlap in particular would be a good point to screw things up. :)
The signalling challenge, not sure about that one. Tim let Dio screw it up here, where you would expect the Mole to try their harderst - but we don't know if the Mole knewthe outcome. Maybe he felt it was fine Dio looked suspicious..?? Not sure.
- His boat mocks stuff up more than the other one it seems.He definitely didn't write down everything and his handwriting was difficult to read/ make out. Also his boat had a clear division of tasks. That seems to make sense at first sight, but it also makes sure people are focussingon their task and not looking at or meddling with what is being written down.
- The jokers/ money challenge:He gets money. Thing is, Frits already told him he would take jokers or if he took jokers, Frits would take money.Out of the two it would seem a more 'positive' thing to take money for a socalled contestant. That may have been an instant decision.Apart from that, as a Mole he would have had knowledge about that money potentially all disappearing or at least significantly diminished one episode later.
- Tim and William are the only ones considering to go into the tower.Liesbeth and Frits are keeping out mostly though we can hear Liesbeth in the background saying she doesn't want him to go in.He's sensing some hesitation with William and then says: So, do you think it's a trick/ double bluff and we should go in?Opposition was too strong though so he backed out. But Anne-Marie and Hadewych were both ademant for them not to go in, andLiesbeth was saying this too. (Question is did the Mole just go along with the mood or not? But Tim did go after the tourguide,and seemed to try to persuade William).Also Tim had th phone in his pocket but never even heard it till Hadewych pointed it out to him.He then wasn't clear about passing on the exact message until Marit made him.
- He certainly wasn't very helpful in the bunker challenge. He did say it was Marit belonging to one sign (correctly),which tbh I found a little suspicious he came up with that out of the blue. But other than that no real contributions.
- In the diving/photo challenge he missed the first photo. Liesbeth corrected him otherwise this may have messed up theirorder. Also William commented on there being a long stretch without photos and both him and Frits mentioned that they never sawpicture #3. (the second bridal photo of Marits parents). That obviously messed up the order.Also neither Liesbeth nor Tim gave any information about the order, according to Marit.
Both Liesbeth and Tim may be accountable for this (since the first couple didn't seem to have this problem), but Liesbeth driftedoff at some point and also corrected Tim on the first picture which he claimed to be William's mother (which in fact was the second).
- Both Liesbeth and Tim (Frits now having been executed) seem to play a central role in the negotiations.Tim's position was slightly better because he had more information on how other people would vote being more towards the end.(Provided the Mole wasn't given inside information obviously). Still the main culprits seem to have been the people votingred, and one of them lied for sure.
- Tim didn't take an active role in solving his puzzle. He first offered 40 but was corrected by Liesbeth and then gavethe right answer, 41. Nothing too remarkable.He went along with Hadewych searching for her answer on the plane. Both were satisfied with a wrong answer without askinganyone else to verify it (i.e. Torres instead of Walter, surname of Picasso's mistress).Either way several answers were wrong so all the Mole had to do is try to make it a mix of good and bad questions so the 'maximum possible (€300) wouldn't be obtained. Peanuts anyway.
- Tim didn't take any money or even jokers. It's kind of a mystery what he did in that western challenge. He did say something to Marit about her not taking jokers. Could be construed as contestantlike.He crossed on unlogical places (someone made an analysis but we can see him crossing the street right in the aiming-distance of Liesbeth too) - so chances of him getting shot were not so slim.( i.e. both contestants would be out of thegame and any money or anything they took was lost too..)
Tbh I think Liesbeth is way more a contestant here though. She never took the chance to take out Frits, so she allowedhim to potentially gather money there (all of it in fact €1500!). She must have seen him take it even because they crossedpaths. Also at some point when Frits came to one of the boxes the money had been taken.So either Liesbeth was carrying money but we never got to see it or she threw it away.But if she did the latter, then why keep Frits alive and not make sure he wouldn't gather any money..?
- In the city challenge in Almería, Tim is paired up with Anne-Marie who takes control over the walkie-talkie, and whohas been suspicious of him for a while. When they find their first clue about the 'Calle del Encuentro'he suggests not so share it with the others because there is'no point'. Anne-Marie does it anyway. Their route is clearly the shortest of both groups (someone marked it on google maps)and yet it takes them a very long time to make it to that spot when the others have already retrieved two clues.Anne-Marie comes up with the suggestion they need to go to the parallel street to what they were given.Tim basically is in no way constructive except at the moment when the challenge is won anyway and the other group arrives.Then suddenly he wants to point it out to them. ;-)
- Tim aims badly ensuring he's in the aiming group rather than the exemption group.The exemption group makes no sense for the Mole to be in. It's a lot of hard work and you can bet your life two contestantswill be fighting hard for it anyway, since so much is at stake ;-).Plus being in the aiming group reduces the chances of success by 25%.Tim's aiming a lot lower than the others in the group (I can enclose a caption if you like) which is strange, becauseyou'd expect them to have more or less same angle ito estimation of distance. He may well have used his 'I suck at this' thing to discguise it so most of the other contestants won't notice.(Anne-Marie disqualified herself as the Mole finally to me here because why on earth hit that thing when you have the bestexcuse in the world not to..?)
- The Lighttower/generator challenge.Hard to tell what was sabotage but I think there's little doubt sabotage was going on.I think the Mole would prefer that to happen in the dark, since nobody can tell what they are doing.Obviously stuff went wrong in group #1, containing main suspect Liesbeth and Tim. We can't tell who did what,but at least partof the time they were separated from each other so one of those two must have screwed some stuff up it seems.
Hadewych doesn't seem to have any real influence in the game because she's on the walkie-talkie all the time (talking clearluas far as I can tell anyway) and very late on the field with lots of lights switched on so an easy target.The task was complex but if the Mole would want to be active (and tbh this seems an ideal challenge for the Mole to beactive in, invisibly..) that would seem far more likely in the first group(s), than the latter.(Especially since the latter ran into problems such as plugs in the wrong towers and cords being entangled..)
- Fish challenge:Ok the Mole could have just taken a back seat like Liesbeth did and tried to steer them in the wrong direction.Or the Mole could be aware that the third puzzle was the real deal. Again, this made me think of a challenge in Australian Mole 4.Confidence is built up first, so contestants think they can do it, since they now understand the puzzle.Even with less time and more restraints (2 beams out instead of 3).However the Mole would know there are two solutions. I think it's very strange Tim suddenly jumps to touch that beam(even if it is the right one), to make sure they accept the challenge (i.e. either 0 or €2000). He then starts talkinga lot about how he knows what it's going to be like (although he never seems to understand anything, doesn't understandriddles and doesn't like puzzles according to himself?), and then starts debating with William instead of trying to pushhis way through when he knew so clearly what was right apparently.The contrast in the two (immediately and decidedly walking over to touch it and the abandonning it again) is what Ifind very strange in this case. Liesbeth kept her distance that might seem suspicious too. Then again her reasoning did make sense to me for she isabout 'reason personified' in most cases...
I have some to add but I will wait for epi 7 to be subbed and finished. ;)
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02/17/12 04:20 AM
I think its Tim or Hadewych.I am starting to think its Tim simply based on how anne marie thinks its him... shes still kicking.I think everyone is on to Tim if he is the mole, which frankly, is a tad underwhelming.
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MrEspionage wrote:How is Hadewych not on the right track... she's still in the game. They also have never revealed whom she thinks is the mole which makes me think shes either the winner or she is the mole.
02/20/12 05:49 AM
How is Hadewych not on the right track... she's still in the game. They also have never revealed whom she thinks is the mole which makes me think shes either the winner or she is the mole.Also, if she's not the mole, she said this episode that she was voting for one person only, and she made it through, so I think it's to be assumed she was correct. Unless Tim and Anne-Marie step it up and stop spreading their answers, she'll outlast the both of them.
How is Hadewych not on the right track... she's still in the game. They also have never revealed whom she thinks is the mole which makes me think shes either the winner or she is the mole.
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02/21/12 12:33 AM
Jazzzed wrote:With respect to the moment where Tim mentions his two suspects to Art. There's a bit of a theory going on.Each year we get a kind of 'Meet the Mole' challenge, i.e a moment where the Mole could (theoretically) be discovered, if you pay attention.This moment could well have been it this year. Because we see Tim answering 'Liesbeth and Anne-Marie', to the question who's the Mole. (He is the only one we hear in answering that question).Yes it's consistent but if you think about it, it could also have been an answer to the question: Who else do you think will do the abseiling except for you? : Liesbeth and Anne-Marie (the two the Mole predicted correctly apart from himself in that case). ;-)Art says two interesting things on the bridge and later before the execution:
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02/22/12 04:00 PM
Someone came up with a hint on the Moleforum today that I think sounds very plausible (i.e. easily and undubitably linked to one person plus it makes sense with the pattern we see in the series).It turns out the Icelandic word for Time is 'tími'(pronounced as 'Tim' in fact).
When you consider all the references that have been made to time this series, I think that would make a good & plausible hint. :) a.o.:1. Many references to time (today, tomorrow, yesterday, now, in one hour etc) in the Mole tweets.2. An extra 10 minutes in episode 1 (for the first tim ever) where the clock was turned back from 3 to 2 hours. 3. Episode 2 being online one day earlier than it was aired (except for the execution - a one off according to the Avro network).4. The 'Persistence of Memory' painting by Dali where time/clocks are very prominent.
Personally I think this could well be 'the' hint we have been looking for, i.e. the one that is very easy and simple yet elegant to link to the Mole.It would make the 3-1=2 link stronger as well I think. :)- For Anne-Marie, people claim the fact that Art says 'jongens' (guys) a lot, which sounds like 'Jung is' (as in I Am (sign), Anne-Marie, I am the Mole).- For Hadewych I think someone mentioned she wore music-related earrings (??) (Mol is used as 'flat' or 'Bemolle' in music in Dutch).- Don't think I've seen any theories about hints relating to Liesbeth at least none that I recall.
02/22/12 05:36 PM
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