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For those who hate mactors, theres quite a few older people who were memorable,like Clay,Helen,Jan,Big Ted and Jake.

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Thing is, what did someone like Jan really bring to the table? She had her animal graveyard, which gave us a few minutes of entertainment. But aside from that, she was nothing but a non-entity throughout the season, only used for an occasional narrative confessional. Jake also lacked any true entertainment value for the season. Pre-merge, he simply did not get any dynamic editing, and served as nothing more than a narrative figure. Post-merge, he got a big visibility boost, but it was mainly him telling us that his back was against the wall and that he would try to make deals where he could. It just wasn't all that interesting. Even Brian was dull until late into the season, and while characters like Clay, Ted, and Helen were all decent, they simply weren't as over the top as many characters we've seen throughout Survivor.

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The younger ones were also for the most part entertaining, or at least had an understandable arc.

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Tanya, Jed, Stephanie, and Erin brought nothing to the table. Tanya was too sick to contribute, Jed was only interested in going off by himself, Stephanie was physically depleted, and Erin simply did nothing to ever warrant any interesting editing. Even the younger players that the editing highlighted were severely lacking in any real entertainment value. The scenes from people like Shii Ann and Penny always seem incredibly forced to me, and they never really registered as interesting characters, but simply elements of the overall plot.

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The challenges are imo,among the most creative ever produced.

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Quite a few of the challenges sucked. Puzzles just don't make for good TV, and Thailand was full of them. It definitely had a few great challenges, but they were interspersed between a ton of dull ones.

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It started off really well but it pretty quickly had drama that was more uncomfortable to watch than entertaining (the whole Ted/Ghandia thing--it did lead to the 150-200% quote so it wasn't all bad though).

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QFT. Grindgate was one of the few moments of the season where the characters really made for an interesting dynamic, and even then, it was more uncomfortable than entertaining. I believe that was actually the first episode of Survivor I ever saw, and I don't recall feeling anything but put off by the events at Chuay Gahn.

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Examples are like Brian, who was just a hardcore gamer. Clay was a redneck, Ted was confused black man.

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And even then, those edits were so stretched out and took so long to come to fruition. Brian was nothing but a dull alpha male until late in the season, when his true colors finally began to show. Clay's edit progressed throughout the season, but it took so damn long to get to the end of his character arc. I know he was a long-term dynamic, but most characters in Survivor get fleshed out to some extent early on, and then have period of cooldown. Clay and Ted were all cooldown with a few occasional moments that contributed to their character stories, fleshing out their characters only when all of the moments combined together.

I actually had not seen the whole of Thailand until very recently, so my experience with it may have differed from most peoples'. I saw a few episodes of it when it originally aired, but did not really start watching Survivor until Amazon began. So I had 5 years of hearing about Thailand before I actually sat down and watched it. Needless to say, my expectations were low, and while Thailand had its moments, it rarely exceeded those expectations. I simply felt like I didn't know any of the characters until deep into the season, and I felt like the stories we got from characters like Shii Ann were lacking and forced. Many of the challenges were boring to watch, and nothing really captivated me as a viewer at any point. The finale may have been decent, but it didn't make up for all of the episodes I sat through to get there.

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anyone i talk to about survivor either doesnt care or perfers so called normal people

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Sure, I'd rather have someone like Jan than someone like Ibrehem any day of the week. But that doesn't mean Jan was a good character. A real person? Absolutely. An entertaining one? Not in the least. And when you have a cast lacking any really entertaining characters, you get a dull season.

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secondly,it doesnt get more one dimensional then the outback.

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However, Australia had truly epic moments and storylines. Thailand? Just an uncomfortable "he said/she said" that lasted a couple of episodes. Besides that, there was nothing epic about it.

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Clay was VERY entertaining and much cleverer then he gets credit for. much smarter infact then fanfavorites like kathy,rob c and yauman.

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Clay was a decent character and decent player. Unfortunately his awareness of the game toned down his more outrageous character attributes and his personality toned down his gameplay. He had a good gameplan, but was no great strategist. He was a good character, but was no over the top personality.

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ted was also a decent statagist,merely getting outplayed and far from being a sexual predator.

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Ted didn't do anything. He just didn't factor into things, and he just wasn't entertaining.

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jan was hilarious.

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For a couple of brief, two-minute scenes throughout the season. Most of the time, she was useless, and she prevented any real power plays from occuring.

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i LIKE puzzle challanges.

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You're probably one of the few. Puzzles are difficult to watch. You can't really follow along with the players, you can't see what they're doing and what they're not doing, you can't build up real suspense. You just sit there and wait for the players to finish their puzzle, and then all of a sudden, they're done and they win. It's not much more entertaining than Probst simply announcing the winner of the challenge in some dramatic fashion.

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thai21 was a very interesting concept.

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Thai 21 was a simplistic and dull concept.

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much more so then the condescending palau sumo one where wittle coby proves something to himself and beats James the evil redneck.

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Palau's Sumo challenge was great. It developed characters, as you stated. It was entertaining to watch. It built up suspense. It highlighted individual personalities. The Thai 21 challenge did none of that.

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onedimensional,anyone?the whole concept of heroes and villains on survivor is 1d

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Fair enough. But Thailand's characters weren't dynamic and multi-dimensional. They were just outright dull. They simply weren't developed either way. There was no villain or hero, but there was nobody in between, either.

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So if people are complaining about Pagonging, it's sort of a shallow reason given that Borneo created it, but as everyone says, Pulau Tiga gets a bye, because of people's nostalgic emotional bonds with it, which have little to do with the actual occurences of the season and everything to do with feelings and whims.

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Everything was new in Borneo. A Pagonging wasn't played out and predictable, because it had never happened before. By the time Thailand rolled around, a Pagonging was just that - played out and predictable. We had seen it three times in the past (and once in reverse). That wasn't the case for Borneo, and it was for Thailand. For a lot of people, that's part of what makes the gameplay in Thailand more boring than the gameplay in Borneo.

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It's funny that some people are now mentioning that Thailand needed twists when exactly what the newer seasons have but which pisses people off.

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Sure, people are never going to be happy. That's a given. But Thailand lacked any real power shifts or surprises or dynamic plot events. That can hurt a season, just like a plethora of twists can hurt a season by turning it into a crapshoot.

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Plus, as a younger individual, it sucked to see how badly Sook Jai (sort of as the young tribe) represent so horribly for us young'ins.

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If you feel anyone on Sook Jai represented you just because of the age proximity, then your problems with Survivor are more far-reaching than I realized.

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I was just making the point that opinions about a season are just that--opinions. Geez. You can dress it up with justifications and a series of points, but we all are entitled to our own opinions

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Panurge was just sharing his opinion, like you did. He gave his reasoning as well, something you did not do. He's stating why his opinions differ from yours. All of that is his right and completely understandable for him to do on a fucking message board meant for individual presentations of opinions.

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Ravu, thanks for the civilty you bring to this madhouse.

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Ravu is the guy that turns this place into a madhouse (and hey, that's why I like him). He just likes to come in and rebel against popular opinion.

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Big Ted would have voted out Jan,followed by Clay then beat Brian in f3ic if Brian hadnt marginalized him

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Then there you go, that's another problem with the season. Brian dominated and made the proceedings very dull by preventing things like that.
And I don't see why Ted would have beaten Brian in the F3 IC.