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drowsy12		#6261	[-]
Posts: 14281 04/24/12 06:29 PM More Recent Posts	Train and Bob do you take the over or the under on 210 for Number of electoral votes Mitt will get.
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Archimedes		#6262	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 07:07 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts	Every year a few hundred Americans renounce their US Citizenship. Why has that number skyrocketed under obama?
springfeverish		#6263	[-]
Posts: 8165 04/24/12 07:24 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	Hey Archie and Bob, how did it go today at the voting booth? Did you get a thrill down your spine pushing that button for Romney?
Archimedes		#6264	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 07:27 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts	I've been a registered independent for 22 years so I can't vote in the primaries.
springfeverish		#6265	[-]
Posts: 8165 04/24/12 07:31 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	Ugh. I hate that almost as much as I hate state stores.
nomii		#6266	[-]
Posts: 13726 04/24/12 07:55 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Archimedes wrote: Every year a few hundred Americans renounce their US Citizenship. Why has that number skyrocketed under obama? Because a fee has been levied post 2010, so the people who wanted to give up citizenship, rushed to do so before they are hit with the $450 fee. Most people who give up citizenship do so because they have committed a US crime and want to flee to another country where US doesn't have jurisdiction - so it indicates that the Obama administration is tougher on crime. Do you think this is a negative for obama? You probably think this is because of taxes? If yes, you might want to provide some proof of this claim, that people are fleeing to lower-taxed countries.
Archimedes		#6267	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 08:01 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts	You probably think this is because of taxes? If yes, you might want to provide some proof of this claim America is the only country that taxes its citizens for money they earn outside US borders.
nomii		#6268	[-]
Posts: 13726 04/24/12 08:04 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Ok, so? You need to provide a list of people who renounced their citizenship, and show that the majority of them did it for tax purposes. I'll wait here.
Archimedes		#6269	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 08:19 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts	watch this while you're waiting. �
nomii		#6270	[-]
Posts: 13726 04/24/12 08:28 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Ok, I watched the video. Still waiting for you to prove your outlandish claims
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Archimedes		#6271	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 08:35 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts	(Reuters) - A year ago, in Action Comics, Superman declared plans to renounce his U.S. citizenship. "'Truth, justice, and the American way' - it's not enough anymore," the comic book superhero said, after both the Iranian and American governments criticized him for joining a peaceful anti-government protest in Tehran. Last year, almost 1,800 people followed Superman's lead, renouncing their U.S. citizenship or handing in their Green Cards. That's a record number since the Internal Revenue Service began publishing a list of those who renounced in 1998. It's also almost eight times more than the number of citizens who renounced in 2008, and more than the total for 2007, 2008 and 2009 combined. But not everyone's motivations are as lofty as Superman's. Many say they parted ways with America for tax reasons. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/16/us-usa-citizen-renounce-idUSBRE83F0UF20120416
Archimedes		#6272	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 08:36 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts	Tax Evaders Renounce U.S. Citizenship Tuesday, January 24, 2012 Rather than deal with the complexities of U.S. tax law, Americans living overseas are increasingly renouncing their citizenship in order to avoid paying their income taxes. According to National Taxpayer Advocate Nina E. Olson, approximately 4,000 people gave up their citizenship from fiscal year 2005 to FY 2010. Renunciations increased sharply within the past three years, from 146 in FY 2008 to 1,534 in FY 2010. And during the first two quarters of FY 2011 alone, 1,024 Americans ditched their citizenship. The advocate’s report cites two reasons for the renunciations. First, many taxpayers abroad say they are confused “by the complex legal and reporting requirements they face and are overwhelmed by the prospect of having to comply with them.” Second, others have accused the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) of “bait and switch” tactics, telling Americans they can resolve their unpaid taxes under an “older voluntary disclosure programs with the promise of reduced penalties, only to find themselves subjected to steeper penalties.” According to tax attorney Andrew Mitchel, another factor has been a change of law in 2008 that means “non-U.S. citizen, nonresidents can now annually visit the U.S. for 120 or more days without becoming taxed as U.S. residents (under the pre-2008 rules, visits to the U.S. for more than 30 days during any of the 10 years following expatriation caused the individual to be treated as a U.S. resident for that year).” http://www.allgov.com/US_and_the_World/ViewNews/Tax_Evaders_Renounce_US_Citizenship_120124
nomii		#6273	[-]
Posts: 13726 04/24/12 08:40 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Those are just news reports and a general purpose IRS report. Still doesn't prove your claim that the specific reason a majority renounced their citizenship was because of obama tax policies - you posted about the increase in people leaving and implied that it is obama's fault. It is your job to show that the people who are leaving are doing it precisely because of obama tax policies (not pre-2009 tax policies)
Archimedes		#6274	[-]
Posts: 8889 04/24/12 08:45 PM Divides by zero More Recent Posts
TheWhiteRabbit		#6275	[-]
Posts: 6126 04/24/12 09:32 PM More Recent Posts	Programming Note: President Barack Obama on the Jimmy Fallon Show tonight, slow-jamming about student loans and complimenting Mitt Romney on being a good family man. Set your DVRs!
BoeschFan		#6276	[-]
Posts: 16526 04/24/12 09:55 PM I'm perfectly content with Registered user More Recent Posts	TheWhiteRabbit wrote: Programming Note: President Barack Obama on the Jimmy Fallon Show tonight, slow-jamming about student loans and complimenting Mitt Romney on being a good family man. Set your DVRs! If it was anyone other than Fallon, I'd probably watch it.
TheWhiteRabbit		#6277	[-]
Posts: 6126 04/24/12 09:59 PM More Recent Posts	I know, he is so painful to watch. He's like the Mitt Romney of talk show host: his transparent pandering to guests and phony, overcompensating laughter are so awkward to watch. I have no idea how he still has a show. But.. yay Obama?
Trainwreck		#6278	[-]
Posts: 9286 04/24/12 09:59 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	You can bet Obama likes 50% more ~~cash~~ tax
TheWhiteRabbit		#6279	[-]
Posts: 6126 04/24/12 10:03 PM More Recent Posts	Ok I will give you that one TW
memyselfandi		#6280	[-]
Posts: 33127 04/24/12 10:08 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Archimedes wrote: Every year a few hundred Americans renounce their US Citizenship. Why has that number skyrocketed under obama? OMG! 1,750 people renounced U.S. citizenship... out of only 300 million people! So the U.S. citizenship renouncers has gone from 750 in 2004 to 1750 in 2010. Or from 0.00025 % to 0.00058 %. WHAT A CALAMITY!
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