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CBRetriever		#621	[-]
Posts: 49241 02/18/12 02:13 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	bob2559 wrote: Sure some states might pass very restrictive abortion laws, but far and away, most will not. The ones that do will still be spending tons of time defending their laws in court cases that will go all the way back up to the SCOTUS, and most of the politicians will discover that it's easy to be strongly anti-abortion when you know that all your bluster means nothing, it's another thing entirely when you've got howling mad voters determined to vote you out of office because of it. So, even if Virginia passes a restrictive abortion law, nothing is going to prevent women from traveling to Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland or anywhere else that doesn't have one. If you're truly terrified by Virginia, then put your money where your mouth is and donate to an organization that will help transport and pay for abortions for low income women. problem with that is that back when it was illegal in a lot of states, the only people who could afford to go to another state to get an abortion were the middle class and wealthy - the poor people resorted to back alley abortions. Of course that's still happening in some places.
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drowsy12		#622	[-]
Posts: 14273 02/18/12 02:16 PM More Recent Posts	it's the same thing now. what if it gets passed in texas? you expect them to drive for hours to get to another state to a stranger to get a procedure? Isn't the GOP about protecting the doctor-patient relationship and getting government out of the way?
drowsy12		#623	[-]
Posts: 14273 02/18/12 02:17 PM More Recent Posts	I respect your opinion Bob, but it is that kind of talk that is going to drive away women voters, to look at the issue politically
youfist		#624	[-]
Posts: 23332 02/18/12 02:18 PM Everyone's favorite bigot More Recent Posts	bob2559 wrote: drowsy12 wrote: Im with 8trackmind. Virginia is close to passing the personhood bill through their congress and the governor has sworn to sign it. that scares me. So, even if Virginia passes a restrictive abortion law, nothing is going to prevent women from traveling to Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland or anywhere else that doesn't have one. If you're truly terrified by Virginia, then put your money where your mouth is and donate to an organization that will help transport and pay for abortions for low income women. you mean kinda like when states like NJ have oppressive 'let's get the rich' with taxes and the rich simply move to another state??? or when a state like California makes weed all but legal and people go there for it?? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BOB??? IT SOUNDS CONTROVERSIAL and OPPRESSIVE to MY UTERUS AND RAPE AND INCEST VICTIMS!!!!!!
bob2559		#625	[-]
Posts: 9476 02/18/12 02:22 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	CBRetriever wrote: bob2559 wrote: Sure some states might pass very restrictive abortion laws, but far and away, most will not. The ones that do will still be spending tons of time defending their laws in court cases that will go all the way back up to the SCOTUS, and most of the politicians will discover that it's easy to be strongly anti-abortion when you know that all your bluster means nothing, it's another thing entirely when you've got howling mad voters determined to vote you out of office because of it. So, even if Virginia passes a restrictive abortion law, nothing is going to prevent women from traveling to Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland or anywhere else that doesn't have one. If you're truly terrified by Virginia, then put your money where your mouth is and donate to an organization that will help transport and pay for abortions for low income women. problem with that is that back when it was illegal in a lot of states, the only people who could afford to go to another state to get an abortion were the middle class and wealthy - the poor people resorted to back alley abortions. Of course that's still happening in some places. I highlighted a part just for you.
springfeverish		#626	[-]
Posts: 8164 02/18/12 03:21 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	Better yet, send monies to political candidates and throw out the Regressives and the Tealiban.
drowsy12		#627	[-]
Posts: 14273 02/18/12 03:22 PM More Recent Posts	springfeverish wrote: Better yet, send monies to political candidates and throw out the Regressives and the Tealiban. just made my first ever political donation
springfeverish		#628	[-]
Posts: 8164 02/18/12 03:24 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	I got a postcard from Lizzie Warren thanking me for my donation the other day.
Licorice		#629	[-]
Posts: 15851 02/18/12 03:42 PM More Recent Posts	I can't help but laugh thinking how many angry Republitards there must be across America tuning into Fox News today...
CBRetriever		#630	[-]
Posts: 49241 02/18/12 03:48 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	bob2559 wrote: CBRetriever wrote: bob2559 wrote: Sure some states might pass very restrictive abortion laws, but far and away, most will not. The ones that do will still be spending tons of time defending their laws in court cases that will go all the way back up to the SCOTUS, and most of the politicians will discover that it's easy to be strongly anti-abortion when you know that all your bluster means nothing, it's another thing entirely when you've got howling mad voters determined to vote you out of office because of it. So, even if Virginia passes a restrictive abortion law, nothing is going to prevent women from traveling to Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland or anywhere else that doesn't have one. If you're truly terrified by Virginia, then put your money where your mouth is and donate to an organization that will help transport and pay for abortions for low income women. problem with that is that back when it was illegal in a lot of states, the only people who could afford to go to another state to get an abortion were the middle class and wealthy - the poor people resorted to back alley abortions. Of course that's still happening in some places. I highlighted a part just for you. aren't too many left nowadays - the volunteers tend to get death threats or get murdered
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BrandonsExWife		#631	[-]
Posts: 1821 02/18/12 03:54 PM More Recent Posts	Even though a small percentage of Americans are in favor of third term or live birth abortions there are many liberal legislators who are in favor of it. It's the one time they stand on principle in the face of great opposition. When it comes to gay marriage or other unpopular issies few to none of them will risk losing votes.
springfeverish		#632	[-]
Posts: 8164 02/18/12 04:03 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	What a stupid ass you are. NOONE is 'in favor' of third-trimester abortions; what progressive individuals are in favor of is having options available when the risk of carrying a baby to term is too great and that these decisions should be between the mother, her family and her doctor. Just like Karen Santorum did when she faced her third-trimester abortion. It's a sad day when a poster is actually to the right of Bob.
BrandonsExWife		#633	[-]
Posts: 1821 02/18/12 04:06 PM More Recent Posts	Sorry to insult your religion SF
springfeverish		#634	[-]
Posts: 8164 02/18/12 04:11 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	More like my intelligence.
bob2559		#635	[-]
Posts: 9476 02/18/12 04:35 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	CBRetriever wrote: bob2559 wrote: CBRetriever wrote: problem with that is that back when it was illegal in a lot of states, the only people who could afford to go to another state to get an abortion were the middle class and wealthy - the poor people resorted to back alley abortions. Of course that's still happening in some places. I highlighted a part just for you. aren't too many left nowadays - the volunteers tend to get death threats or get murdered Gee... all I had to do was go to Google, type "free women's clinics" and I got 164 million results. Now it seems to me that anyone who considers abortion to be the one single issue that determines their vote would be sending money to at least one of these clinics on a monthly basis. But if you would rather that your money go to politicians, lobbyists, campaign officals, and the like, then I must assume that you're not really serious about helping the women you purport to care so much about. Like I said, if it's such an important issue to you, then put your money where your mouth is and give to organizations that will help transport and pay for abortions for low income women, not to politicians. I understand that people like spring are totally lost causes who are much happier giving their money to politicians, than those people she claims to care so much about, but I hold out the hope that there are others of you who aren't complete partisan hacks and want your money to do some real good.
CBRetriever		#636	[-]
Posts: 49241 02/18/12 04:42 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	I've never sent money to any politician - and I do donate money to organizations that help people as long as they aren't faith-based organizations (Doctors Without Borders, Habitat for Humanity, and for dogs CBRR&R)
TheWhiteRabbit		#637	[-]
Posts: 6125 02/18/12 04:56 PM More Recent Posts	springfeverish wrote: Better yet, send monies to political candidates and throw out the Regressives and the Tealiban. Absolutely. This the first election I'm not only donating but volunteering for GOTV. It's just too important, we can't go backwards with this old men fuckers.
springfeverish		#638	[-]
Posts: 8164 02/18/12 05:03 PM Registered User More Recent Posts	Fuck you Bob. I consistently and generously donate to PP. I also do many volunteer hours for a food donation program. That doesnt preclude donating to individuals I admire such as Lizzie W. But I don't expect a mean little man to understand that.
TheWhiteRabbit		#639	[-]
Posts: 6125 02/18/12 05:10 PM More Recent Posts	He is a bit mean, isn't he? He's always quite miserable. I wonder what that means.
drowsy12		#640	[-]
Posts: 14273 02/18/12 05:11 PM More Recent Posts	Bob's logic is just off base here. 'It doesn't matter if we strip rights away from women in these states. They can just drive to another state and consult with a stranger about important medical issues. If they can't afford it, then we'll have organizations that will bus them to those states. never mind the time or inconvenience' you may be right that there are other issues to vote on other than abortion, but when you have certain members of your party who are taking positions that alienate a large portion of society, then yeah, you're going to have a problem. and of course there is Mitt who alienates everyone that isn't from the planet Kolob, but thats a different story.
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