Vecepia vs Cirie

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Kai5925	Re: veeceepiia	#21	[-]
Posts: 4077 (05/19/06 6:53 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No. Cirie lost because people liked her too much, not because she was a great player (though she was).
Mr Brightside	Re: veeceepiia	#22	[-]
Posts: 3571 (05/19/06 7:24 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I like Cirie as much as most Sucksters .. but Vecepia is a much better player than Cirie IMO. It wasn't that she was boring that she got far .. she made the right alliances at the right time. At the F9 when the Rotu 4 revealed the pecking order, the other 5 wised up and took them all out. At the F5, Sean was seen as a big physical threat so he was toast. Vecepia, built relationships and got to know everyone .. hence winning the Fallen Comerades challenge. And at the F3, she let Neleh have immunity and take out the most deserving player left. Vecepia may have been quiet/boring .. but she was slick. It's ridiculous to say that she is the least deserving winner just because she was barely shown through editing.
colleenlover	Re: veeceepiia	#23	[-]
Posts: 9333 (05/19/06 7:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* That's why she LOST. Can't you people flippin' UNDERSTAND??? By being a "better player," Cirie made herself a Bigger Threat, thus incapable of winning. By sucking slightly more, while doing essentially the same thing, Vee was able to win. Ironically, her APPEAL was her downfall. *Quote:* No. Cirie lost because people liked her too much, not because she was a great player. Um, what show were you watching? -Cirie only was taken out of the game because Terry and Aras BOTH had immunity -so there was little that could be done -the fact that it was a tie breaker and not 3-1 for Cirie in itself is impressive. We have evidence that Aras would have taken her to the end, and most likely Danielle also -over Aras. Vecepia was a good player but never was able to piece together the same type of support system and have the mobility and command that Cirie had.
ben1984	Re: veeceepiia	#24	[-]
Posts: 426 (05/19/06 5:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Strategy wise, it's sort of a toss-up. Cirie played an incredibly strong game, while Vecepia stayed strickly UTR, however, Vecepia's strategy was successful, Cirie's wasn't, so I'll give a very slight edge to Vee here. Personality wise, no doubt Cirie wins by a huge margin. She was the main reason S12 was fun to watch, whereas Vee was barely visible, and the times we did see her it was just more preaching.
Pulau Tiga	Re: veeceepiia	#25	[-]
Posts: 5761 (05/19/06 6:03 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* By being a "better player," Cirie made herself a Bigger Threat, thus incapable of winning. As colleenlover stated, Cirie lost because of players winning the exact immunities they needed to win. She played the game near perfectly, and the challenges (and HII) ended up being her downfall. Had Terry not had the HII or Aras not had immunity at the F4, she would have definitely won the game. *Quote:* At the F9 when the Rotu 4 revealed the pecking order, the other 5 wised up and took them all out. No thanks to Vecepia. Paschal and Neleh made the move because they finally realized their position in the alliance. It's not like Vecepia convinced them to switch or anything. *Quote:* the F5, Sean was seen as a big physical threat so he was toast. And this shows Vecepia playing well how? *Quote:* Vecepia, built relationships and got to know everyone .. hence winning the Fallen Comerades challenge. Somebody had to win it. Vecepia's a genuinely nice person (I'll give her that, of course), and so she won the challenge. Her social game still wasn't that great. *Quote:* And at the F3, she let Neleh have immunity and take out the most deserving player left. At F4, she almost cost herself the game. Had the purple rock taken out any other player than Paschal, she likely would have lost. *Quote:* Vecepia may have been quiet/boring .. but she was slick. Nah, she was just quiet and boring. She rode into the end game, and pulled off a win due to some lucky scenarios (and a very bitter jury). *Quote:* Vecepia's strategy was successful, Cirie's wasn't, so I'll give a very slight edge to Vee here. Vecepia may have won, but that doesn't mean she played a better game than Cirie. Had Vecepia been in the same situation Cirie was in, she would have lost.
SerenaSS	Re: veeceepiia	#26	[-]
Posts: 1287 (05/19/06 6:50 PM) I don't play well with others Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* No thanks to Vecepia. Paschal and Neleh made the move because they finally realized their position in the alliance. It's not like Vecepia convinced them to switch or anything. She was part in helping the VERY naive Neleh and Paschal to switch although Sean and Kathy have to do with most of that. *Quote:* the F5, Sean was seen as a big physical threat so he was toast. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this shows Vecepia playing well how? She knew better to keep her mouth shut and let Sean implode. That is good gameplay. *Quote:* Somebody had to win it. Vecepia's a genuinely nice person (I'll give her that, of course), and so she won the challenge. Her social game still wasn't that great. Are you an idiot? Her social game was great. She answered EVERY question in fallen comrades correctly so obviously she knew her opposition quite well and they had to be VERY interested to tell her all this. *Quote:* At F4, she almost cost herself the game. Had the purple rock taken out any other player than Paschal, she likely would have lost. Doesn't matter. If previous votes mattered like they should have, Kathy would have been out and Neleh would have been in the end anyway. *Quote:* Nah, she was just quiet and boring. She rode into the end game, and pulled off a win due to some lucky scenarios (and a very bitter jury). You just desribed Neleh to the T. *Quote:* Vecepia may have won, but that doesn't mean she played a better game than Cirie. Had Vecepia been in the same situation Cirie was in, she would have lost. She would not have lost. Vecepia was in the MILITARY for years and knew exactly how to make a fire. She would have won the fire starting challenge and won the Final immunity challenge so don't say that if their positions were swapped that CVecepia still would have lost because it wasn't the case/
theone97301	Re: veeceepiia	#27	[-]
Posts: 50 (05/19/06 6:50 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Even though Cirie lost she was a much better player then V. V got luck but she didnt seem to have much of a game plan. Sometimes the best player always win. V was the wost winner along with Sandra and Jenna M.
gab500	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#28	[-]
Posts: 1061 (05/19/06 7:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* before I can answer this, I need to understand why you're comparing these two. They have nothing in common that I can see. The only thing they have in common is that they're both female. why not compare Cirie to Heidi or Ami? why Vee? what am I missing here? Of course, what you're missing (and what everyone here has chosen not to mention) is that they are both black. I suspect that's why this thread was started. And if that's the case, it's pretty lame. They are totally different players, who were in totally different game situations. No comparison.
finishthemoff	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#29	[-]
Posts: 15489 (05/19/06 8:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What is obvious is that they are both black females. Otherwise, they are entirely different. Circie is a doll. She is someone you want to have around. She make you laugh. She make you smile. She include you one way or another. Hell, she vote out Bobby! This is the first time that a black female vote out a black male! Vee is just there. She didnt really socialize (other than Sean) with others. No one really pay attention to her. I blame greatly that John should have target Sean first rather than Rob because Sean and Vee have unbreakable link. Ousting Sean will force Vee in. John want Sean gone out next but Vee refused. Duh. They should have toss Sean out immediately. Vee is lucky that a switch save her. Her tribe is on the verge of being ulonged. Her trib sucks so bad that they made Ulong look excellent in comparsion. Somehow, John got a great idea to oust Gabe. Bad move because Paschal love Gabe. Aside from Neleh, Paschal's favorite is Gabe. Ultimately, it convince Paschal that Rotu 4 need to be destroyed. Vee sat on Sean's and Rob's shoulders for a long time. Vee was more of a challenge threat than Sean, but Sean got muscle. Any guys who have muscle are seen as challenge threats. It is like thinking Scott Long is more of a threat than Nakomis from BB5. Circe play a better overall game, considering her fundamental weakness. She shouldn't have last long, but she did. Good for her!
veeisforvictory	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#30	[-]
Posts: 1698 (05/19/06 8:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I vowed not to touch this thread with a 10-foot pole but I see that the posts are getting stronger...It seems every year after season ends Vee is always brought up because 90% of the board hates Vee for being boring, UTR, beating fan favorites Neleh and Kathy and being lucky (and I think her strong Christian views) which she was but there's the 10% of us who just see the value of her strategy and know that in any other season you use this strategy you could get far if not win...going into Survivor with a gameplan is great but the key is adapting it to your situation, in Vee's case she did that and the best way to win this season was to wait and see and once she joined the multiple alliances she did she was golden...she was nice to everyone but willing to cut ties to get her further, she worked hard, infiltrated alliances, backstabbed a couple of people, but her best strategic decision was just having a human shield named Sean and I think they both deserve props how they managed to win Survivor despite being 7-3 come merge time... Cirie is great and I know she has an edge over Vee when it comes to being more proactive in the game but that doesn't undercut how good Vee was and I know Cirie, a big fan of the game, would say the same...in fact they really had some similarities such as being UTR, Cirie even stated that she was targeted during the first few TC's she just worked hard to gain favor in Casaya until they finally picked her up which reminds me of Vee's moves during the switch..
Mypoody2	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#31	[-]
Posts: 10738 (05/19/06 8:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i feel like vee was a better player than cirie, they were both equally underdogs, cirie was just more vocal about her strategy.
Francois40	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#32	[-]
Posts: 2849 (05/19/06 9:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* I vowed not to touch this thread with a 10-foot pole but I see that the posts are getting stronger...It seems every year after season ends Vee is always brought up because 90% of the board hates Vee for being boring, UTR, beating fan favorites Neleh and Kathy and being lucky (and I think her strong Christian views) which she was but there's the 10% of us who just see the value of her strategy and know that in any other season you use this strategy you could get far if not win... I agree; Vee is underrated by history, for the most part, precisely because she was UTR and knew how to keep quiet. Hmmm, I believe keeping quiet is what Cirie claims was one of her big strategic moves.... Don't forget that Vecepia only had 2 seasons to draw on, unlike the 10 Cirie had. I LOVE Cirie, but we all must agree that one thing that made her so memorable was her edit. V's edit was as a stealth player, which she was, but we didn't see as many confessionals of her as we did of Cirie, and she lacked Cirie's charm and one-liners, so she doesn't win points with us as viewers. Vee did jump alliances early on Rotu, and would have done it more had it been needed; she also openly negotiated at TC, something we haven't seen in a long time. Did it make a difference? Hard to say, but she was playing her heart out. I do still think Cirie played a great game, better than Vee, but Vee held her own, and would probably rank in the top half among winners IMO.
x0xcindychickx0x	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#33	[-]
Posts: 1817 (05/19/06 9:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Vecepia = Cirie Post Whoring :o
Survivor Boy	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#34	[-]
Posts: 7027 (05/19/06 9:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	THIS THREAD IS FUCKING RACIST! Just because they're both black, lets compare them!
finishthemoff	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#35	[-]
Posts: 15489 (05/19/06 10:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Survivor Little Boy Is it racist or agist to compared Tom to Terry? After all, Tom and Terry are both white older white male.
Mr Brightside	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#36	[-]
Posts: 3571 (05/20/06 6:30 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* i feel like vee was a better player than cirie, they were both equally underdogs, cirie was just more vocal about her strategy. That's the difference between Vee and Cirie. Cirie even said that she kept quiet around camp and simply worked hard to be seen as usefull. Obviously, Cirie was truly the star of Exile Island because she had more confessionals than everyone else. Vecepia was really under-edited .. for whatever reason I don't know why. I would never take anything away from Cirie's game .. because she played a VERY good game. But like Vee said in Marquesas "I'm going to keep my mouth shut, and my eyes/ears open." Big props to Vecepia.
craig	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#37	[-]
Posts: 16628 (05/20/06 7:01 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	They are the only 2 blacks to make F4. Vee allied with Sean Rector who played the race card and made race an major theme. Cirie cast the decisive 3rd vote to oust Bob Dawg pre-merge, and her skin colour was a non-issue. I'd compare Sandra (animated confessionals) and Tina (stategically) more than Vee. Like Tina she went from the fringes of the majority alliance to its'tategic centre, and had both aras and danielle willing to bring her to F2. Vee was better in challenegs than Cirie, but then again she got to play Fallen Comrades at F4.
Survivor Boy	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#38	[-]
Posts: 7027 (05/20/06 1:43 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* Survivor Little Boy Is it racist or agist to compared Tom to Terry? After all, Tom and Terry are both white older white male. No it's not because Terry is Tom 2.0... Cirie is nothing like Vecepia.....
tutorial	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#39	[-]
Posts: 3873 (05/21/06 11:01 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Cirie > Vecepia in terms of personality. Vecepia won, thus in that sense. Vecepia > Cirie I have to respect any winner that won. Vecepia won because she was strategically inept, she flipped when she had to and flopped when she had to.
colleenlover	Re: Vecepia vs Cirie	#40	[-]
Posts: 9333 (05/21/06 11:23 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Obviously these two are being compared because they are both African-American -and did very well. Don;t know why Cirie's being compared to just Vecepia and not Tina Wesson. I'd say Cirie was a stronger player -she was able to successfully cover herself much more than Vee -she had Aras and possibly Danielle both taking her to final two -she had Shane being her number one (unless Shane would have kicked her off in favor of Terry) -Cirie set up her endgame perfectly, she just got a lousy break. Vecepia was never successful in getting her endgame set up, moreso was only lucky at final four -at final five, she never made the deal for quid pro quo for Sean and Kathy to combat Neleh and Paschal. If she hadn't won final four, she would have been out 3-1. Vee is still a sharp player though.

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