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chapera rocks |
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Just cuz.
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The Marquesan Godfather |
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Cooks Island is last to me just because its the one season that made me stop being a fan.
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SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor |
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Once again, it's all about the big characters. I'll go with the F10 as the cutoff.
1. Australian Outback (9/10): Jeff, Alicia, Jerri, Amber (More of a fawning over her, rather than honest entertainment value), Roger, Elisabeth, Keith, Colby, Tina 2. Borneo (8/10): Greg, Gervase, Colleen, Sean, Sue, Rudy, Kelly, Richard 3. Pearl Islands (7.5/10): Andrew, Rupert, Christa, Tijuana (sort of), Burton, Fairplay, Lil, Sandra 4. Amazon (6.5/10): Deena (sort of), Alex, Christy, Heidi, Rob, Matt, Jenna 5. Marquesas (5.5/10): Rob (sort of), John, Sean, Paschal, Kathy, Neleh 6. Panama (4.5/10): Austin (sort of), Courtney (sort of), Shane, Cirie, Terry, Aras (sort of) 7. Cook Islands (3.5/10): Nate, Jonathan, Parvati (sort of), Ozzy 8. Guatemala (3/10): Judd, Gary, Stephenie 9. Palau (3/10): Coby, Stephenie, Tom 10. Fiji (3/10): Michelle, Alex, Earl 11. Vanuatu (3/10): Ami, Eliza, Chris 12. Thailand (2/10): Helen, Brian 13. Africa (2/10): Lex, Ethan 14. All Stars (.5/10): Jerri (sort of) I don't count a few like Big Tom or Yau Man. I just kind of ignored them. Also, ties are pretty much broken by how much I enjoyed the pre-merge episodes, a lot of which has to do with the personalities that go out during that time. |
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A Dying Clown |
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Quote: We saw that as early as when Caoboi wanted to vote her out in the third episode. Just because someone is a bitch doesn't mean they're interesting - Katie was at least catty and witty. Watching someone be a middlebrow snob doesn't make for good TV (see Freddy/Kendra). Quote: I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it like that - it was like watching what would have happened with Lindsey/Brandon/Kim/Silas were stuck with Carl for four episodes straight. Except with a suckier cast. Quote: Interesting ranking criteria, though using the same criteria I'd rank Australia second-last: only Jeff, Jerri and maybe Keith were remotely interesting. Everyone interesting (Debb, Kimmi), likeable (Mike, Maralyn) or capable of causing conflict (Kel) was gone right at the start. I'm not sure the number of "big characters" necessarily matters, so much as the airtime they get. PI may have had Ryno and Darrah but they hardly got any screentime so didn't make much difference, while Yul/Ozzy had 100 confessionals a week. |
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Angelus |
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I don't know if Pearl Islands was so great for me that it made all the ones afterwards seem at best hit or miss.
ASS: Rob and his asshat smirk combined with everybody just walking to their slaughter ruined it for me. Vanuatu: It took a second time around for me to appreciate the characters and the story arc but all in all a good season. Palau: Not one redeeming thing. Guatemala: This season had some of the greatest characters and story arcs ever with the only drawback being that this was the season that the immunity idol first reared its ugly head. Panama: This was the season made me for the first time actually start to wonder if the show was jumping the shark with the whole "Exile Island" gimmick and full on Immunity Idol. The saving grace was some of the characters but in the end it couldn't make up for lack of story. Cook Islands: Probably one of the most boring seasons ever and every episode can be summed up by white people bitching and crying, Ozzie doing well at a challenge and Yul telling us how great he is for at least 5 minutes. Fiji: The whole have/have nots just about tanked the season but I got past it. The obsession with Yau in making everything he did look like a genius put it almost at the bottom of the list but I held out hope. The thing that destroyed what little the season had left that the winner proudly announces that he never even watched an episode before he was recruited. Sorry if I went a bit long and I didn't mean to type that much. I expect to get flamed but I guess it had to happen sooner or later. much love |
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RavuRules |
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Quote: And I'm still baffled that some people talk so much smack about Cook Islands Like seriously, if it really was as bad as you say, don't you think people would come to their own conclusions about the season? Why do you feel the need to announce your opinions to the world and force them down everyone's throat? Quote: I could give you a list but that's dumb. It's a fucking OPINION. No one needs to give reasons and justify why they like a season. You either like it or you don't |
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Ravu, nice to see you posting again...
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Quote: That's really the nub, isn't it? If a season features 2-3 player we care about we like it better than another that doesn't. I'll wager that between Yul, Ozzy, Parvati, Candice, and Jonathan, S13 tops S14 for most. They are such different characters not many folks hate them all. In S14 the editing screamed "you better cheer for Earl, Yao-Man, and Michelle, that's all weve got to offer." And 2/3 of the got screwed over. Yul > Earl Jomthan > Dreamz Parvati\Candice > all S14 women combined Quote: A lot of people who hate the 5-5-5-5 affirmative active casting, 20 players, and a F3 with jury of 9 seem to take it out on S13. By S14 they've either come to accept it or stopped posting about the show. |
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7o62x39 |
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1 - Australia - Great site, character development, tainted by Tina-Colby deal
2 - Marquesas - Lots of characters, weak ending 3 - Borneo - Great cast, Pagonging was predictable, CBS puts out faked images to stop original Sucks Board from spoiling the show 4 - Africa - solid cast, horrid location 5 - Exile Island, very good cast 6 - Amazon - decent cast 7 - Pearl Island - Bringing back the dead hurt what would have been a very good season, I'm not a big Rupert fan 8 - Guatemala - Stephanie and Bobby John was gimmicky, cast a little thin of interesting people 9 - All Stars - Enjoyed Robfather, resentment/envy voting killed show, one season too much of Rupert's baby-talk mumblings 10 - Cook Islands - Liked the diversity, hurt early by silly people, the ending was a disaster 11 - Vanuatu - weak males and gender split hurt the season, women were solid 12 - Palau - Too predictable, too many wannabies, recruits and people who cared nothing for Survivor 13 - Fiji - Too many utterly ridiculous people and Survivor know-nothings, painful to watch idiotic play, even Yau's innovations (trading car, fake II) were ideas he learned from the Boards yet were played for poor effect (Yau even marked the fake idol with "II" - like he coined that himself and like any of the SoCal Survivor know-nothings would get that, duh). 14 - Thailand - Brian was unlikable, few gamers, Ghandia's groping incident |
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chapera rocks |
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1. Survivor Borneo
2. Survivor Panama Exile Island 3. Survivor All Stars 4. Survivor Australia 5. Survivor Marquesas 6. Survivor Amazon 7. Survivor Africa 8. Survivor Fiji 9. Survivor Pearl Islands 10. Survivor Guatemala 11. Survivor Thailand 12. Survivor Vanuatu 13. Survivor Cook Islands 14. Survivor Palau |
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louie77 |
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1.Australia
2.PI 3.Fiji (Maybe the novelty will wear off eventually, but even when it was the pre-merge episodes I thought it had a great start) 4.Borneo 5.Africa 6.Marquesas 7.Vanuatu 8.Cook Islands 9.Palau 10.Amazon 11.Exile Island 12.All Stars 13.Guatemala 14.Thailand |
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roadblocker |
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1. Exile Island <3 <3 <3
2. Pearl Islands 3. Borneo 4. Australia 5. Fiji 6. Palau 7. Guatemala 8. Amazon 9. Thailand 10. Marquesas 11. ASS 12. Africa 13. Cook Islands 14. Vanuatu |
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dissimilis |
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1. Marquesas
2. Pearl Islands 3. Borneo 4. Africa 5. Fiji 6. Vanuatu 7. Exile Island 8. Guatemala 9. Cook Islands 10. Amazon 11. Palau 12. Outback 13. Thailand 14. All-Stars |
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Guilt Puppy |
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1. Australia
Although the game element was weak, the narrative, sense of adventure, and interpersonal relationships were so much more interesting. 2. Amazon Cesternino was fantastic. A lot of interesting things happening in the game, an amazing location, and some pretty interesting people involved. 3. Palau Pretty good cast (especially those that went long), decent use of location and theme (even though it was just more generic islands, it didn't feel entirely that way). Excellent winner, entertaining endgame. The best balance of all the things that I like about Survivor, though ultimately not quite as memorable as my top two. 4. ASS Pretty good cast, game played out in a really interesting way. Laughable winner. 5. Pearl Islands A few really interesting people on the island, and although as a whole the season left me kind of eh, there was always something interesting going on. Usually multiple interesting things going on. But it never came together into a really satisfying whole. 6. Africa Great environment, fairly interesting people, incredibly bland game. The two-dimensional people (Brandon, Frank) eventually got fleshed out enough to be worth a damn. 7. Borneo Looking back at it now, it feels like Survivor lite. For most of the show, only three people were even playing the game, and for all of the show only one of them was playing well. The characterization was better than recent seasons but was still a lot less interesting than the early/middle seasons. 8. Marquesas Fairly interesting people in a fairly uneventful game. Not really a bad season, but not a lot stood out as good. 9. Guatemala Loved the first episode's great long hike. This is the season where the personalities really started to feel canned, however. You still had spots of interaction and stuff, and I liked the location overall, but mostly it was meh. 10. Fiji The season that made me realize that yeah, I actually do want to try to see the cast members as people after all. One of the most complex and interesting seasons from a strict game perspective, but so much time spent developing that end of things that you never really cared about the end result. Even the likeable people were still really two-dimensional. 11. Thailand Excellent winner. Cast was a lot of mediocre people, but still interesting. It never got really fascinating but I still felt that it didn't suck. 12. Vanuatu Really non-memorable cast. One of them was missing a leg, right? I liked Chris's gamesmanship though found him annoying on every other level. The location was at least kind of interesting for a couple of episodes. 13. Exile Island Ugh. The season when they officially gave up on having any sense of narrative and just loaded up on twists and freakshow personalities. Felt like it shouldn't even count. It's your sister's Ken doll, painted green. 14. Cook Islands I barely remember anything about this season. Caoboi was amusing, and Ozzy made me feel gay a little. Other than that? It really didn't feel at all like I'd watched a season of Survivor. |
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WylDawg |
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NOT ranking them, just grouping them of some sorts
Borneo, Outback Epic seasons. Yeah, the gameplay was weak, that didn't matter back then, it was all about the people. You rooted for them, you rooted against them , you cared about how far they went, you cared about how they're evolution. Early boots had a more complete back story than 90% of the people who reach the merge in modern seasons. It really felt like watching a human experience with people from all walks of life placed in a comprimizing situation. That's what Survivor is all about IMO. Marquesas, Amazon, Pearl Islands, Exile Island The casting wasn't up there with the first 2 seasons, but it was as closest as we got. The gameplay however was top notch and really enjoyable to watch. They all had surprising twists and turns or at least lots of drama. Africa, Thailand, Vanuatu, Guatemala, Fiji All "meh" seasons simply because there wasn't enough players. And by players I mean people actually trying to win. Lots of people getting snubbed in the editing, espcially pre-merge boots. Vanuatu dick pick up at the final 7, but all the episodes before it were a snore. At least Africa had the surprising twist to keep us awake and Thailand had some somewhat memorable pre-merge moments, just too damn predictable. Guatemala had good moments and some good characters, but also lots of dull moments and dud characters, so they cancel each other out. Turning it into "Stephenie's great Guatemalan adventure" didn't help either. Fiji had a couple of memorable players to keep it afloat despite it being another season that seem to have taken forever to unfold. Palau, Cook Islands Just plain sucked. 20 people, about 3 or 4 that stood out tops. Too many modelish people with not one once of personality. No gameplay, people letting a dominant male waltz right through the end. People who made it all the way to the final 6 and were somehow still invisible. By the time they were over, the entire season became a complete blur. At least to me. All-Stars Not a regular season, in another league. |
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growsonwalls |
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1. Borneo
2. Pearl Islands 3. Marquesas 4. Outback 5. Exile Island 6. Amazon 7. Thailand 8. Fiji 9. Africa 10. Palau 11. Guatemala 12. ASS 13. Vanuatu 14. Cook Islands |
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tullfan2 |
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Post All Stars, Survivor is a different show than it was. For the first 8 seasons, the emphasis was on the storytelling and the experiences of the contestants as they had to work together to survive the environment and the elements. There was somewhat of a shift starting with S6 as Rob C. advanced strategy to a higher level resulting in more emphasis on gameplay from contestants on later seasons. Starting with S9, the challenges became more complex (especially S10-S13) and began to consume more of the episode at the expense of the great storytelling. For that reason;
S1-S8 >>>>>>> S9-S14. Now that I've watched S1-S12 at least 3 times and Fiji and Cook Islands twice, because of the sacrificing of story and substance, I don't enjoy rewatching the post ASS seasons as much as the earlier seasons. Just as with rewatching episodes of TAR, rewatching contestants performing tasks is boring. If you fast forward through the challenges, S9-S14 go pretty quickly while S1-S8 still take some time to finish. S7 - beats Borneo this time S1 S4 - great in spite of disappointing ending S2 - best season for survival aspect/extremely dull last third S6 - Rob C. masks the fact that much of the cast is bland S3 - Excellent first 8 episodes but the location hurt it S8 - Lot's of drama but the cast had a bad chemistry S5 - Great considering the cast was very ordinary - Gap S10 - Best of the post ASS seasons S9, S11, S12, S14 - can't decide All of these seasons have their pros and cons. S9 had a great ending and a pretty good location but most of the middle of the season was lackluster. S11 had an excellent location, some great moments pre-merge and some interesting challenges but the ending fizzled. S12 had some phenomenal characters but the game itself was pretty dull and back to Panama for a 3rd time (Boo! Hiss!). S14 had great post-merger episodes but the Have/Have Not twist bombed. S13- Jonathan, Cao Boi and a feel good ending but that's about it. Still liked it though |
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tullfan2 |
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WylDawg,
Is Guatemala part of your second group? You listed Amazon twice. |
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RavuRules |
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Since you posted your rankings (or should I say "grouping") AGAIN WylDawg, I'll do the same
Quote: These were epic seasons--epically boring. Viewing these seasons make it seem like days and months are passing, because they drag on so much. The gameplay was weak, and it totally matters, because I didn't care about the people then and still don't now. I mean, they're nice and everything, but really, you're viewing strangers as characters. I don't care about "back story" or the whole survival, I'm stranded-on-an-island with strangers aspect. That's NOT what Survivor is about IMO. I respect your view, but it's not the only one or more legitimate OPINION necessarily Quote: In retrospect, I think Marquesas is a bit overrated. The casting is x10 better than the 1st 2 seasons. I loved the gameplay, and I agree these seaosns were very enjoyable to watch Quote: I disagree that the players weren't trying to win--they just didn't know how to win. I think Thailand and Vanuatu was pretty solid for most of the season, but most of us don't like them for the dominance by older, unattractive castaways. Vanuatu was a lot more unpredictable though, while Thailand was watching sheep go to their slaughter. When Fiji was awesome, it was awesome. Despite the predictable Ravu losing-streak, there were enough twists and interesting castaways to keep things entertaining. Things exploded at the merge, but spoilers and edgic made the end sort of predictable Quote: First off, I love large casts. More chances to get someone interesting. I disgaree that only 3 or 4 people stood out tops, but even if that was true, that's about how many stood out in the 1st 2 seasons to me. I love castaways with personality, but "normal" people don't necessarily always have better personalities than mactors. At least, with mactors, you're guaranteed eye candy if they end up being strategic or personality duds. With normals, you could end up with a TOTAL dud that no one wants to watch. I disagree with the "No gameplay" because people definitely contested Tom and Yul's road to victory (which you can't say for Heidik, Tina, Ethan--seasons you rank and like better; your thinking is inconsistent, irrational, and seems emotionally based; that's fine to like a season based on emotion (I rank seasons by emotion too), but don't try justifying it with logic). I agree that the F6 editing of the INV/UTR folk is annoying though. I was bored by Palau my 1st time around, but I think it was still interesting the next times I viewed it. It had some novel moments, and I definitely felt the F6 players played hard. In terms of CI, I personally liked the racial diversity. I was getting tired of the 1 token African-American male being unable to swim, being aggressive, being lazy, etc. Also, it was nice to see Hispanics and Asians for once, and I think the casting for Caucasians didn't suffer at all. Parvati, Candice, and Jonathan are some of the most interesting and strong players I've seen in any season. It was also interesting to see how ethnic minorities would fare when they weren't outnumbered like 15:1 for once. In a political game like Survival where social and demographic differences totally matter, race is a big deal no matter what anyone says Quote: I can understand why people would hate it, but you have to admit, you had to have been damn excited when the season 1st started and you saw all the characters and people you loved and hated return and play on 1 season together I know ASS haters are mainly comprised of those people who were fans of the ASS losers, and hated seeing INV/UTR-edit, submissive Amber and former Jerri-ally end up winning over all their favorites. I would be pissed too (as I was watching BB:AS and AR:AS). However, I personally watched ASS before the original seasons, so for me, the results seemed totally fair, and I feel I can judge the players' gameplay with more objectivity Personally, I became a Romber fan during ASS, so I loved their triumph, and the finale was epic. That was an awesome marriage proposal and ended the season on such a momentous note. That day created an Amazing Race powerhouse! |
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AwesumCrush00 |
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01. Marqueses
02. Amazon 03. Borneo 04. Vanautu 05. Cook Islands 06. All Stars 07. Pearl Islands 08. Exile Island 09. Outback 10. Thailand 11. Palau 12. Guatamala 13. Africa 14. Fiji |
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